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Considering selling a Virus :/
I recently got into some new soft-synths and since they fixed the performance issues with the 8-core Mac Pros I can get a full load of soft synths with x16 oversampling and x8 detuned unison ... and I have to say some of them sound better than the TI in some areas.
For example Predator sounds way batter with bass lines, and Toxic Biohazard and Morphine also sound outstanding. (not to mention the likes of Sculpture)
So I started to consider selling my virus and going with software ... 
kina sad, but then again, its going to free my finance a bit.
Anyone had a similar dilemma ?
Re: Considering selling a Virus :/
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| Originally posted by csfp I recently got into some new soft-synths and since they fixed the performance issues with the 8-core Mac Pros I can get a full load of soft synths with x16 oversampling and x8 detuned unison ... and I have to say some of them sound better than the TI in some areas. For example Predator sounds way batter with bass lines, and Toxic Biohazard and Morphine also sound outstanding. (not to mention the likes of Sculpture) So I started to consider selling my virus and going with software ... kina sad, but then again, its going to free my finance a bit.Anyone had a similar dilemma ? |
It seems more and more that digital hardware synths are going out the window for many people.
Analog hardware will probably have a place for at least a while, though.
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| Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Analog hardware will probably have a place for at least a while, though. |
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| Originally posted by Eric J I'll agree with that statement, most of my better sounding software instruments are all emulations of vintage analog hardware. They all just seem to sound fantastic. |
i really love the filter envelopes of the virus. they are so snappy i haven't found another synth which gives this nice plucks with the same envelope slopes.
Im in the same boat as DeZmA.. the latest virus ti update with my 8core mac pro works great.. i've fallen in love with the TI again.
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| Originally posted by Eric J I'll agree with that statement, most of my better sounding software instruments are all emulations of vintage analog hardware. They all just seem to sound fantastic. |
I've also downsized my hardware synth collection considerably over the past few years and added a lot more soft synths (way more than I need). Two years ago, I had 12 hardware synths in my rack, now I'm down to 5, but I haven't been without a Virus for many years and I doubt I'll get rid of my Polar for a looooong time (except possibly to upgrade to the next generation of Viruses). Some things just can't be replaced by software alone IMO.
I have discovered the complete opposite but I guess this is largely in part to some of the amazing soundbanks I've recently purchased. The sounds my Ti is making lately, no software VSTi has ever been able to match. I couldn't live without my Ti anymore and I couldn't imagine writing music without it, let alone selling it!
I like access music a lot. To be honest they're the best analog emulations I've heard in ages. Even Clavia don't come close to it in my opinion.
But their synths are way too expensive for my wallet. Especially when you know that manufacturing cost them 500$ or less, selling a Ti for 1700 is a rip-off.
Don't get me wrong here,I LOVE the Ti, but everything there is in a Virus is a bunch of chips, just like in any computer. That the filter chip is a very good one makes no doubt. That it is just plain emulation that costs 50$ doesn't make one either.
If you want to hear the difference, get a REAL ms20 from korg, or a REAL ARP2600, all with analog circuits. You will have the shock of your life then, because those saw and square waves coming from there are so dirty and beautiful at the same time, because they come out of transistors and not silicon chips or CPU's.
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| Originally posted by Lolo I like access music a lot. To be honest they're the best analog emulations I've heard in ages. Even Clavia don't come close to it in my opinion. But their synths are way too expensive for my wallet. Especially when you know that manufacturing cost them 500$ or less, selling a Ti for 1700 is a rip-off. Don't get me wrong here,I LOVE the Ti, but everything there is in a Virus is a bunch of chips, just like in any computer. That the filter chip is a very good one makes no doubt. That it is just plain emulation that costs 50$ doesn't make one either. If you want to hear the difference, get a REAL ms20 from korg, or a REAL ARP2600, all with analog circuits. You will have the shock of your life then, because those saw and square waves coming from there are so dirty and beautiful at the same time, because they come out of transistors and not silicon chips or CPU's. |
it sounds more like these features were already in beta state when they released the product, no more or no less.
That R&D costs a lot is another story, I don't forget that. But all main Access features have been there for almost 6 years.
I might consider getting a Virus synth again, but not at 1700$, nor at 1000. I'm still waiting for dsp-driven modular features and dedicated sample memory that comes with sampled waves, then I'll reconsider the whole thing.
I love the virus, I'm saving to get one (probably for a few years ) but I don't really consider it as a pure synth, like I wouldn't really use it for typical synth sounds I don't think, because I have very little faith in its oscillators.
As Lolo said, they're very weak compared to analogue. Although, I do like the Nord's better, so I'm not critisising digital, just Access.
I would buy a Virus for its polyphony for pads to push to the back,
effects, atomiser, wierd sounds and most of all, the ability to sit at a real instrument with so much polyphony and create a track right there.
But I'd buy a Nord for its unique vibe and great warm sound, or a Prophet for its real analogue fatness. For most sounds I think software is more than adequate. I personally like the sound of Massive (my workhorse VST) more than the virus sound, I think its osillators and filters are just huge. But its not ever going to manage even 60 voices practically, virus can supposedly do 80...
Its interesting that people are starting to sell off their very new hardware to go back to software.
a little off-topic, but there are only two synths I'd like to have: the v-synth and the jd800. The latter is just my dream synth, I have never bought it, and god I wish they could make a new version of it at Roland, but I think we can sit on it.
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| Originally posted by Lolo a little off-topic, but there are only two synths I'd like to have: the v-synth and the jd800. The latter is just my dream synth, I have never bought it, and god I wish they could make a new version of it at Roland, but I think we can sit on it. |
My dream synth is the Alesis Andromeda A6. Definitely will be getting that first, and then maybe the Virus Ti to complement it.
I've got my Virus last week ad i am not to impressed yet, I purchased it together with my Blofeld which i am not fully convinced with either.
What happened: Here i am rebuilding my upgraded studio. Loading one of the many nearly fishished projects of which i told myself just to hold off because it needs the Virus of Blofeld for a kickass lead.
Both come with hundreds of presets, but after listening through most of them i have to agree with TS, there are a lot of VSTi's whix seem to have more balls then these babies presets. Both definately have got character, but i need to get used to them in order to fit them inj properly. For now i am finalizing a track with the Vanguard Ayla lead preset, for some reason i was not able to find anything in either the Blo or Virus coming close...... (yet)
So if someone can program me a Virus patch similar to the Vanguard ayla lead preset at a decent volume (simmilar effects and delay) i would be eternally gratefull )
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| Originally posted by Raphie So if someone can program me a Virus patch similar to the Vanguard ayla lead preset at a decent volume (simmilar effects and delay) i would be eternally gratefull ) |
Actually there is a similar patch on the virus ... or I had it somewhere in my archive, anyway to make virus work you have to write/tweak your own patches plus there are few sounds out there that are virus only.
Another thing, saying that virus is a great analogue emulation is little if not much overblown. The best sounds you can get out of it are digital as hell, but then again, you want them to be, and they are very attractive : ) So id rather say that virus is a digital synth with some analogue capabilities (most of the current top soft synths sound more analogue then virus if that matters).
Now about V-synth GT which I've owned ... and sold it, and I'm really glad I did. No honestly, V-synth is crap for a normal studio use. Unless you have a lot of time to spend with a clunky interface and program everything yourself ... even then its not really worth it, for example most of effects are crappy (I mean really crappy !), they sound cheap, degrade the sound, VGT all in all doesnt have the charm, and you can do the same sounds with a good sampler / soft synth (like additive or FM) or ... Omnisphere : ) Which Im waiting for personally.
I was really hyped for GT, but after owning one for a year or so I was really fed up with all the problems this synth has. It doesn't come close to Virus TI nor to most software solutions.
I am going to program my own patches on both the Virus and Blofeld, however it always takes some time to get used to all the new prgramming optionas and osc/filter/fx behaviout.
So i am not only using presets, but iwas jusr a bit surprised that most of them are that crap. There is a lot of fun pads and fx on there but the presets really do lack solid synced saws and squares that punch through.
Also anybody else noticed that a lot of the Virus TI patches are quite soft (via 3x USB that is)
Try playing with Hypersaw, you'll get your proper virus leads and pads in notime 
Actually the Hypersaw is one of the strongest points of this synth along with distortion and degradation of the sound.
I was really surprised how weak is the virus for the bass sounds, how much artefacts can it produce and how weak and lifeless the sine is when played low (even compared to reasons subtraktor, actually I really like reasons synths, even though their overall quality isn't top-notch).
But yeah, Hypersaw is one of the very few features why I haven't sold it yet. I just love those hypersaw spaced out pads ... ugh and picks, and leads ...
Selling the virus?
I think not 
Being a software only user for a long time, I bought it a year ago and it was one of the best investments i ever made. There are synth that sound different, and some that are better for specific tasks, but if I had to choose only one synth, it would be the virus Ti. As far as presets are concerned... I didn't spend 2000$ on a synth to use presets. And programming the Ti is a lot of fun.
Ofc, it can't do everything, but it's still used for 80% of my sounds and it works really well. I understand selling old gear that slows down one's workflow, but the Ti is the only synth that has the best of both worlds - hardware and VST. And still light years ahead of the competition. Just wish more companies followed in it's path..
my advice for u is just to delete all the presets (or just don't use it at all!)!
u'll find out the virus is WAY better then any soft synth ever exist
if u buy a certain synth for the presets u should prolly sell it
the presets doesn't use half of the options the virus offers.
there are TONS of modulation functions in the virus , filter sounds WAY better then any soft synth , filter ENV is fuuuuuucccckkiiiinnn AMAZING! tons of wave shapes u can come up with
and of course it all sounds great! it contains everything and it has its own character and i think it great.
yes! i do think real analog synths like the moog voyager sounds better for certain things but every synth and his own cons and pros u just need to know what ur buying and how to work with it before u actually buy it!
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| Originally posted by Hydroid my advice for u is just to delete all the presets (or just don't use it at all!)! u'll find out the virus is WAY better then any soft synth ever exist if u buy a certain synth for the presets u should prolly sell it the presets doesn't use half of the options the virus offers. there are TONS of modulation functions in the virus , filter sounds WAY better then any soft synth , filter ENV is fuuuuuucccckkiiiinnn AMAZING! tons of wave shapes u can come up with and of course it all sounds great! it contains everything and it has its own character and i think it great. yes! i do think real analog synths like the moog voyager sounds better for certain things but every synth and his own cons and pros u just need to know what ur buying and how to work with it before u actually buy it! |
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