someone bring this guy to toronto plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Posted by samhouse on Sep-06-2008 22:10:
i need to watch this on a computer with sound.
Posted by LKD on Sep-06-2008 22:39:
whut? no Ableton Live + CTRL Live anymore for Hawtin?
down to traktor now?...tsk tsk tsk...
problem about traktor tho is if u play breaks, the analysis doesnt work out well always...alot of times it misunderstands and gives some wierd bpm count...
im stickin to ableton.....
Posted by SuperJimbo on Sep-06-2008 22:46:
quote:
Originally posted by El K Dee
Is that all you took from this incredibly insightful video? Wow. lol
Or maybe you know all that stuff, and in that case, I bow down to your magnificence....lol....
Posted by musicsnob_NOT on Sep-06-2008 23:20:
Downloaded the 7 podcasts on M_NUS earlier this week. Really interesting.
Posted by magikb on Sep-06-2008 23:32:
Seriously that just boggled my mind. I don't have a clue about dj'ing and what it takes so to sit and watch that, that is just crazy.
Extremely creative especially when he is talking about everything being done over ethernet at the end and controlling the live shows.
I can't wait to see Richie next weekend. <3
Posted by devnull on Sep-06-2008 23:45:
wow amazing find! it really shows how wicked he is
i really liked the fact he uses the computer to do the boring stuff so he can concentrate on creativity.
I cant wait to see one of those Contakt shows...the way he explained how the show works....is simply mouth watering!!
cant wait for next sunday to see him!
Posted by LKD on Sep-07-2008 00:12:
quote:
Originally posted by SuperJimbo
Is that all you took from this incredibly insightful video? Wow. lol
Or maybe you know all that stuff, and in that case, I bow down to your magnificence....lol....
i already do all that with my midi controllers and ableton...this video is good for people that arent familiar with MIDI consoles and dont think like a producer when djing to bother with loopovers etc.
come see how i do the same things on friday....of course u wont know if its the track itself or me doing it cos its rare for me to play tracks that everyone knows
Posted by NuERA on Sep-07-2008 00:57:
that was awesome
Posted by waynoinsano on Sep-07-2008 06:02:
holy snap.
Posted by The Highroller on Sep-07-2008 12:39:
Contakt madness:
Posted by VDub on Sep-07-2008 14:22:
Blah blah blah.......
Puuuurrrrrreeeeeeee....
Posted by VDub on Sep-07-2008 14:24:
But...
I want to discuss Richies video...
Just later...I have to go wreck someones kitchen right now...
Posted by Skipper on Sep-07-2008 16:00:
Richie is so far past the limitations of final scratch now...it's incredible that he designed it, yet now he's outgrown even his own technology.
As much as Richie plays tracks that you can ID, they are so warped and looped and manipulated that he really is more of a live act now.
Posted by kaniz on Sep-07-2008 16:32:
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Originally posted by VDub
Blah blah blah.......
Puuuurrrrrreeeeeeee....
(good video, but....)
Yes, because it's better to keep both your feet firmly planted into the past and not explore what new technology can enable someone to do. For a music-scene that used to be so forward looking / innovative / exciting, some people seem to be terrified of technology, embracing it, seeing what it can do and move forward.
Not to piss on old-school Vinyl DJs or people like Mills, I think the 'digital vs analog' debate and which one is better is a tired one. I can understand having a preference towards one or the other, but this 'lets piss on anything new' attitude is pretty bullshit IMO.
Both avenues have their advantages, disadvantages and I don't think that one is inherently better than the other. I dont see a Vinyl DJ and think "yay, Vinyl - he's keeping it real", and I dont see a digital DJ and get all "Huzzah, go technology", I'm more concerned with whats coming out of the speaker and if it's moving me or not.
What I like about the video of Hawtins setup, is that he's showing what is possible with technology beyond letting it simply beatmatch things for you. So many people that rip on digital-DJs bitch that "they are not doing anything because the software is auto-beatmatching for them".
But, when that time is free'd up, it opens up the opportunity to do more things with the music. Its not like they are thinking "yay, my two tracks are in synch - lets stand around and do a Jesus pose for the next 3 minutes"
The technology is also new - and as artists play with it, tweak it, make setups that fit their own style/etc - the end results will continue to improve, and the possibilities of what you can do will open up.
One criticism I will have of Hawtin and the last few sets I've downloaded of his, is he seems to be too caught up in the toys of his technology and mixing a bit too much based on tricks / effects. Too much "cut the bass, layer up the effects, throw everything into a crazy-sounding smash, then pull it back together" - the continual bass cuts gets annoying pretty quickly.
Its the audio equivalent of a kid getting photoshop and using every filter on it just to see what it can do. But, as people start to figure out, experiment and toy with things - the end result ends up getting more polished.
either way, the geek in me likes to see the setups of various artists / DJs, and thought this video was pretty neat.
Posted by DigiNut on Sep-07-2008 17:02:
^ Very much agreed. There's no shortage of DJs who let the software do the beat-matching for them and then just stand there for 5 minutes doing a stupid dance, but that's clearly not the case here.
This is what technological progress means in every industry. Less time spent on the drudgery of menial and repetitive tasks, more time spent on experimentation and innovation. And as with any sort of innovation and invention, it's usually pretty rough and awkward at first, but will continue to improve as people refine their tools and trade. That is until it is so refined and well-known that it too can be automated... and the cycle goes on.
And in response to Traktor not doing breaks properly, it does if you actually prepare the tracks and markers and don't just rely on the auto-scan. I would bet that Richie does that with all of his tracks, regardless of genre - you don't want to risk a mess on stage.
Posted by UmmiE on Sep-07-2008 18:52:
Posted by VDub on Sep-08-2008 00:58:
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Originally posted by UmmiE
is right...
FTW!!!
Posted by VDub on Sep-08-2008 01:03:
And about this video of Richie's...
Very informative...
And that music.....actually good...when I'm driving or at work....
But def boring in a big room...
bleep bleep bloop bloop....
Posted by VDub on Sep-08-2008 01:06:
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Originally posted by kaniz
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Yes very well said I suppose...
Posted by Skipper on Sep-08-2008 02:08:
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Originally posted by VDub
Blah blah blah.......
Puuuurrrrrreeeeeeee....
God you're tiresome.
Get with it. No one is disrespecting Mills here, the man is brilliant. But to deny that what Richie is doing is techno is a bit ridiculous.The only thing worse than a hipster minimalist like Richie is someone like you who can't embrace or appreciate technology.
Posted by E2EK1EL on Sep-08-2008 05:54:
Speaking of Final Scratch ...
Posted by E2EK1EL on Sep-08-2008 06:04:
quote:
Originally posted by VDub
Blah blah blah.......
Puuuurrrrrreeeeeeee....
Jeff Mills is a BODMON, that dude works for his $$$!
Posted by LKD on Sep-08-2008 06:05:
funniest line today at V fest was while chatting with burridge about digital mixing vs. vinyl (as he mentioend that he thinks he doesnt want to do vinyl at big festivals anymore), he goes "Computer mixing is like fucking with a condom.....theres not alot of feeling there"...lol
