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Federal Election 2008 Thread

October 14, 2008

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Another bullshit election....

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Another bullshit election....

What...you expected Harper to keep his word?

CPC Hypocrisy at it's finest.

a few gems from Stephen Harper in May 2006:

"Fixed election dates prevent governments from calling snap elections for short-term political advantage...They level the playing field for all parties and the rules are clear for everybody."

"...fixed election dates stop leaders from trying to manipulate the calendar simply for partisan political advantage".

"The only way we can have justice is to have a fixed election date, because an election without a fixed election date is a tremendous advantage for the party in power".

He qualified his desire for fixed election dates by saying that the gov't has to still be able to govern and there are scenarios where calling an election is necessary:

"If the government is defeated, loses confidence, it's obliged by the constitution to hold an election."


while this is the angle he's now playing, it's complete bullshit. The CPC has not been defeated or officially lost the confidence of either the people or parliament. The CPC is even or ahead in the polls, has been able to pass whatever legislation it wanted, and has put through a rather high number of bills during it's time in office. Clearly the CPC has been able to effectively govern according to its agenda.

this election is being called to derail several byelections, to avoid dealing with economic issues that might expose some flaws in the CPC fiscal policy, and to take advantage of the fact that the opposition is not in a strong position to defeat them.

Stephen Harper = a hypocrite and a LIAR.

funny how the same term that was repeatedly thrown at the Liberals is now an apt description for Harper and the CPC themselves.

so, in the midst of an economic downturn, lets spend ~$300 million on an unnecessary election. what a douchebag.

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Originally posted by MarkT funny how the same term that was repeatedly thrown at the Liberals is now an apt description for Harper and the CPC themselves.

It actually applies to every government so don't act as if the Liberals are somehow saints.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH It actually applies to every government so don't act as if the Liberals are somehow saints.

who said the Liberals were saints and what does that have to do with Harper's bullshit election call?

it's well past the time where we should judge the CPC on its own merits (or lack thereof). Stop pointing to what the Liberals did in defense of the CPC's shortcomings.

Harper is circumventing his own fixed election date system for CPC political gain. period.

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Originally posted by infinity HiGH It actually applies to every government so don't act as if the Liberals are somehow saints.

The Liberals are definately not saints...however...I would vote for them before allowing Harper to run this country further into the ground. In a very short period of time he has been able to run the country into a defecit....which he is now trying to hide by calling an election.

What bothers me even further is you have a man who is trying to promote an image of being a family man....yet during the last election the most love he showed his kids was giving them a handshake.

It will be interesting to see how Harper does when the other parties will be attacking him instead of the focus being on the Liberals. Is it just me or does it look like Harper has dyed his hair white...either that or he got a lot of grey hairs in the last couple weeks.

I think Elisabeth May and the Green party are going to shock a lot of people....they are going to get a lot more votes then previous elections....and if she is given a chance in the debates I think she will really shock people...and take some of the Conservative votes away.

Quebec will be interesting in this election....it sounds like the Quebecers are not supporting the Bloc like previous elections and this could open up a lot of seats to all parties.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Quebec will be interesting in this election....it sounds like the Quebecers are not supporting the Bloc like previous elections and this could open up a lot of seats to all parties.

don't pay attention to what the national post says

The Bloc will not loose any seats, maybe gain.

No one here wants a majority conservative govt and dion is even more hated than PET...

mark my words.

Do they really think they can win a majority government this election?lol

Check out the latest ratings given by the The Sierra Club of Canada on their latest climate-change report card.No surprise the Conservatives got a F+.

Link: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008...reportcard.html


The Conservaties dont give a shit about climate change or the environment.They have the same attitude as their fellow Republicans in the south "DRILL DRILL DRILL".

the environment is overrated... fuck that shit, i want cheap gas

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Originally posted by malek the environment is overrated... fuck that shit, i want cheap gas

then do what I do....get the company you work for to give you gas cards

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Originally posted by malek the environment is overrated... fuck that shit, i want cheap gas

or how about being able to drive an electric car that you can recharge? That won't ever happen under a Conservative government.

I've heard rumours that Harper has called the election in part due to the effect that an Obama Presidency would have on Canadian voters. ie, it would definitely be a boost to the Liberal Party. I suppose there is some truth in that.

I am generally a centrist with both left leaning and a few right leaning tendencies. As much as I am unhappy with how the Liberals have gone about reforming their party since Chretien left office, I simply cannot vote for the Canadian Alliance Party...because that's exactly what they are. The old Progressive Conservative Party is dead, which is unfortunate, because now Canada's only truly right wing party has its base in the west, where they are less educated, more religious and definitely more "rural". As someone from Ontario, that's not the kind of party I will ever vote for.

So, bring on the minority Torie administration again, where little to nothing is accomplished among all kinds of bitter fighting in Parliament. This entire election is just a fucking waste of tax payers money and is a huge distraction for Canadians concerning the very important American election campaign.

I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 or how about being able to drive an electric car that you can recharge? That won't ever happen under a Conservative government.

I don't want to defend the CPC, but what is their implication with electric cars? Canada isn't home of a major car company. If the electric car never becomes a reality, it would have been because of foreign decisions (USA, Japan, Europe...), nothing that we could do about, even less the CPC.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning

This didn't seem to bother you when the Liberals were doing it last election...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I can't stand the Conservative Negative Campaigning....how about tell us what you are going to do for us instead of telling us how bad Dion is....even their website is full of negative campaigning

Harper's camp have learned their techniques from the Carl Rove style of negative campaiging that unfortunately worked very well for Bush. Reagan used the same kind of outright negative and fear mongering tactics against Mondale in 84 too.

The pre-election call Conservative ad that trumped up Harper as being a "good family man" and someone that you could "have a beer with" (basically just a personality ad) is way too similar to AMerican politics for my liking. Dion might not have a lot of charisma, but he is super intelligent man and I believe that Canadian politics and elections should be about the issues.

So far Harper has offered nothing substantial except label Dion as "raising your taxes". Gee, does this sound familiar to what we heard ALL week at the Republican National Convention?

Harper, Bush, McCain = neoconservatives. They have essentially the same agenda and I pity Canadians who are taken in by their fucking BS. Oooh, we reduced the GST by 1%!! Let's not forget that it was the right wing establishment that brought the fucking thing in in the first place.

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Originally posted by DigiNut This didn't seem to bother you when the Liberals were doing it last election...

The CPC was just as bad if not worse last election....its the only way they know how to campaign....say little about what they will do and blast others for their short comings.

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Originally posted by malek I don't want to defend the CPC, but what is their implication with electric cars? Canada isn't home of a major car company. If the electric car never becomes a reality, it would have been because of foreign decisions (USA, Japan, Europe...), nothing that we could do about, even less the CPC.

yes you're technically right. But when has Harper ever made any real efforts for alternative energy?

They have done absolutely nothing on the environment since taking office in January of 2006. His policies are regressive, not progressive.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced The CPC was just as bad if not worse last election....its the only way they know how to campaign....say little about what they will do and blast others for their short comings.

You're joking, right? I know your memory isn't that short - probably the main reason the CPC won that election was because Harper's campaign was making specific policy announcements every day.

That obviously doesn't excuse them this time around, but it's also pretty standard for an incumbent government to take that tack...

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Originally posted by DigiNut You're joking, right? I know your memory isn't that short - probably the main reason the CPC won that election was because Harper's campaign was making specific policy announcements every day. That obviously doesn't excuse them this time around, but it's also pretty standard for an incumbent government to take that tack...

Martin did go with a negative campaign...i agree 100%...but the CPC ads with Martin's Face all over them are still burning holes in my eyes.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Martin did go with a negative campaign...i agree 100%...but the CPC ads with Martin's Face all over them are still burning holes in my eyes.

Hahaha... sure, of course the Tories ran attack ads, but let's be serious, every party does that in every election and I don't think it's reasonable to criticize based on that alone. And at that point in time there was also (again, let's be frank here) so much to criticize. As I understood it, your complaint was about running a bunch of attack ads and not making concrete policy statements. That does seem to be what the Tories are doing right now but it's certainly not what happened last election.

Right now, Dion and the Liberals aren't really saying much in terms of policy either. Nobody is, it's all mudslinging. I think maybe it's just too early in the race... give it about two weeks and we may start to hear more. If you ask me, that's ass-backwards; for maximum effect they should be talking policy first and running attack ads in the final two weeks, but for some reason that's not how campaigns seem to be run in Canada.

well how can you blame the opposition parties for being a little underprepared?

Harper fucking broke his own legislation by calling an election an entire year early, which will most likely yield the same results and leave our Parliament in the exact same dysfunctional state that the Conservatives are currently bemoaning.

This election is a farce.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 well how can you blame the opposition parties for being a little underprepared? Harper fucking broke his own legislation by calling an election an entire year early, which will most likely yield the same results and leave our Parliament in the exact same dysfunctional state that the Conservatives are currently bemoaning. This election is a farce.

and these are truly the only points that need to be made in this thread.

but there is no dysfunciton in parliament (from a CPC standpoint). The CPC has been able to pass legislation with little problem, by somehow making *everything* a confidence measure.

the CPC is getting fucked over in committees where opposition majorities have stymied their agenda and are taking the CPC to task on various mini-scandals.

so an election scraps the committees, scraps the 4 byelections, and deflects attention away from the economy. i.e. CPC political gain. yet Harper brought in fixed election dates specifically to prevent this type of gain.

HYPOCRITE.

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Originally posted by MarkT HYPOCRITE.

Duceppe will fucking eat him in the debate(s) over this... i think i'll vote Bloc this time around.

I'm voting Liberal.

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