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Posted by newtrancer on Sep-11-2008 00:19:

which vst has good piano sound

Hey guys im trying to make my first progressive trance track but im stuck ! I cant find a good vst synth that has that piano sound . I
want to use a piano chord sequence in the intro and other parts of song.

i have v-station
vanguard
and zeta


Posted by pwnage1 on Sep-11-2008 03:07:

Cant you make progressive trance without a piano? Anyways, Native Instruments Acoustic Pianos, Steinberg The Grand. Use the search function and you will find more possibly better vst's.


Posted by csfp on Sep-11-2008 08:31:

Re: which vst has good piano sound

quote:
Originally posted by newtrancer
a good vst synth that has that piano sound


Well I can't find one either, maybe because Piano is very hard to synthesise ... the closest you can get at the moment is probably the Vsynth GT ... but its hardware and costs a lot (and doesn't sound that good either).

I would use a sampler instead, almost every sampler has a piano so you can search for vst samplers for a good (or at least proper) piano sound.


Posted by Vizay on Sep-11-2008 12:51:

native instruments akoustik piano rocks your socks. Aint that expensive either, well worth the money if you ask me!


Posted by derail on Sep-11-2008 13:20:

Pianoteq sounds nice to me, based on the audio demos. Maybe grab the demo version of that and see if it's worth buying.


Posted by Vizay on Sep-11-2008 13:25:

ahh yeah pianoteq, forgot to mention that one.
It's a really nifty plug if you can settle for somewhat good. It's easy to use but compared to a multisample steinway or something similar it's lightyears behind.

Well worth a try tho!


Posted by 00264167 on Sep-11-2008 16:49:

people on kvr seem to rate truepaino for realness i gues and the native instruments one. personally i like one of the ones in nexus.


Posted by cryophonik on Sep-11-2008 17:07:

Re: which vst has good piano sound

quote:
Originally posted by newtrancer

i have v-station
vanguard
and zeta


You're not going to get a decent piano sound out of any of those subtractive VAs. I agree with the post above me - Nexus has some excellent trance pianos in the included soundset and even more in the Piano expansion.


Posted by derail on Sep-11-2008 23:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Vizay
ahh yeah pianoteq, forgot to mention that one.
It's a really nifty plug if you can settle for somewhat good. It's easy to use but compared to a multisample steinway or something similar it's lightyears behind.


I've never tried pianoteq, could you elaborate on this? In what way is it light years behind?

Watching a pianoteq video, they talk about things such as if one key is held down (without sounding) and you play a different key, it will affect the sound of the key that is played. They say that multisampled pianos don't change the sample being played - if you play C4 for example, it will play one of the C4 samples, it doesn't trigger a different sample if you happen to be holding down C0 while you play, or C#0 while you play, or D0 while you play (and so on, for every key on the piano - then you can hold two keys down and repeat the process) - obviously it's not just when holding keys down, but when you play keys together, the interaction of the harmonics between the keys.

It just kinda made sense, that multisampled pianos won't do that. I haven't actually tried pianoteq, but going by the audio demos, to my ears it just sounds like a well recorded piano. Potentially they have a lot of work to do on the synthesis engine, but to my ears it sounds totally fine to put into a trance song. And 15 megs as opposed to many gigs is a big plus in my book.


Posted by newtrancer on Sep-12-2008 00:29:

thanks guys ill give samples a try as i dont have nexus ,was trying to create my own piano sound with my vsts.


Posted by Vizay on Sep-12-2008 05:14:

quote:
Originally posted by derail
I've never tried pianoteq, could you elaborate on this? In what way is it light years behind?

Watching a pianoteq video, they talk about things such as if one key is held down (without sounding) and you play a different key, it will affect the sound of the key that is played. They say that multisampled pianos don't change the sample being played - if you play C4 for example, it will play one of the C4 samples, it doesn't trigger a different sample if you happen to be holding down C0 while you play, or C#0 while you play, or D0 while you play (and so on, for every key on the piano - then you can hold two keys down and repeat the process) - obviously it's not just when holding keys down, but when you play keys together, the interaction of the harmonics between the keys.

It just kinda made sense, that multisampled pianos won't do that. I haven't actually tried pianoteq, but going by the audio demos, to my ears it just sounds like a well recorded piano. Potentially they have a lot of work to do on the synthesis engine, but to my ears it sounds totally fine to put into a trance song. And 15 megs as opposed to many gigs is a big plus in my book.


It makes perfect sense actually that it works that way as it's how it should be. ANd you're right, multisampled pianos (afaik) don't have that feature. However they still sound more realistic and that's why I put them in another league than the pianoteq plugin.


Posted by csfp on Sep-12-2008 08:44:

Pianoteq looks tasty and its component modelling ill have to try that one out



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