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Palin to start Armageddon

I couldn't take that retarded catch-all thread anymore after seeing several of the same articles quoted more than once. Sorry Lira.

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The pastor who clashed with Palin "Forget all this chatter about whether or not she knows what the Bush doctrine is. That's trivial. The real disturbing thing about Sarah is her mind-set. It's her underlying belief system that will influence how she responds in an international crisis, if she's ever in that position, and has the full might of the U.S. military in her hands. She gave some indication of that thinking in her ABC interview, when she suggested how willing she would be to go to war with Russia. ... "But," Bess adds, "this person's election would be a disaster for the country and the world." http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...bess/index.html

McCain sold his soul to the devil. He realized he wasn't going to win and threw everything into Palin to appease the radical right base. I'm not freaking out because I fear loosing, I think Obama is going to win. The fact she is so close is whats troubling.

These articles keep coming out. Her governing style is exactly like Bush. Anyone that has ever crossed her is immediately branded an enemy and she favors loyalty over competence. She's crazy! War with Russia? She is going to get into the White House and kill McCain so she can do God's will. She's going to start Armageddon.

I don't see how moderate conservatives in the US can really defend McCain's choice here. This extremist nutjob stuff coming out about her isn't slowing down. I wonder if Joe Biden might have to label her as having very "un American, extreme" views on the world in the debates?

Either way, he has to bring up her whacky positions on some things and drive home the point that extremism is not what America or the world needs right now.

She's quite a tyrant!

You can't compromise with an absolutist. That's what's scary about fundamentalist Christians who know without a doubt they themselves are right and everyone is Satan's followers.

a little off topic:

i was intrigued to hear the woman speak, they made her out to be the female version of obama, however, i found her to be quite unremarkable. she uses far too much country slang for my taste.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 a little off topic: i was intrigued to hear the woman speak, they made her out to be the female version of obama, however, i found her to be quite unremarkable. she uses far too much country slang for my taste.

I'm betting your not the type of person they want her to appeal to. First off you can type, second you know what the internet is.

"I'm addressing you.
Are you going to let our emotional life be run by Time Magazine?
I'm obsessed by Time Magazine.
I read it every week.
Its cover stares at me every time I slink past the corner candystore.
I read it in the basement of the Berkeley Public Library.
It's always telling me about responsibility. Businessmen are serious. Movie
producers are serious. Everybody's serious but me.
It occurs to me that I am America.
I am talking to myself again."

Allen Ginsberg

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Originally posted by josh4 She's crazy! War with Russia? She is going to get into the White House and kill McCain so she can do God's will. She's going to start Armageddon.

WTF? Relax man you're going overboard on this. Show me where she specifically said she wants to go to war with Russia... and in the entire context of the conversation. Because if you really read it, and not the cherry picked version that left wing media outlets like to play, you'll see she's not a warmongering psychopath like you are being led to believe. This is the REAL conversation, NOT edited by ABC that you saw on tv:



GIBSON: Let�s start, because we are near Russia, let�s start with Russia and Georgia.

The administration has said we�ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

PALIN: First off, we�re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain�s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we�ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep�

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That�s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you�re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They�re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They�re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they�re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I�m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it�s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

Sarah Palin on Russia:

We cannot repeat the Cold War. We are thankful that, under Reagan, we won the Cold War, without a shot fired, also. We�ve learned lessons from that in our relationship with Russia, previously the Soviet Union.

We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it�s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but�

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn�t we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you�re going to be expected to be called upon and help.

But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to � especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.

GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.

PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.

And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.

It doesn�t have to lead to war and it doesn�t have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that�s a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen.

Honestly, the unedited version looks even worse. She is so far out of her depth on foreign policy.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Honestly, the unedited version looks even worse. She is so far out of her depth on foreign policy.

You probably know 100x more about foreign policy than Sarah Palin...

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Originally posted by josh4 I couldn't take that retarded catch-all thread anymore

+1

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Honestly, the unedited version looks even worse.

thats your opinion but you can't honestly say based on the interview she wants to go to war with Russia. thats the point.

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Originally posted by Krypton You probably know 100x more about foreign policy than Sarah Palin...

There's actually a facebook group "I know more about foreign policy than Sarah Palin" - pretty sure everyone who posts in PDD could join.

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats your opinion but you can't honestly say based on the interview she wants to go to war with Russia. thats the point.

Not that she wants to go to war with Russia, that she would go to war without second thought. Without consideration of the ramifications. You can't be in that position as an absolutist. Basically what this means is the Cuban missile crisis would have ended a lot differently if Palin was in charge. I was basing my concern on the things I've been reading about people that have interacted with her as Mayor/Governor. I'll quote it again.

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"Forget all this chatter about whether or not she knows what the Bush doctrine is. That's trivial. The real disturbing thing about Sarah is her mind-set. It's her underlying belief system that will influence how she responds in an international crisis, if she's ever in that position, and has the full might of the U.S. military in her hands. She gave some indication of that thinking in her ABC interview, when she suggested how willing she would be to go to war with Russia.

An interesting fact is I've been reading this stuff from multiple sources quoting different people (many of whom probably haven't interacted with each other) and their opinions all sound the same.

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Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys." Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the city and as governor, she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal � loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the state's top cop. ... Around Wasilla, there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her. http://www.crosscut.com/politics-government/17341

Shes being touted as a reformer, and she very well is one. She's reformed Alaska's politics into an evangelical movement. Replacing people with others that support her views in every level of government. We've seen this before with the Bush admin.

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�She is bright and has unfailing political instincts,� said Steve Haycox, a history professor at the University of Alaska. �She taps very directly into anxieties about the economic future.� �But,� he added, �her governing style raises a lot of hard questions.� ... �Their secrecy is off the charts,� Mr. Steiner said. ... �Sarah said she didn�t need to read that stuff,� Ms. Chase said. �It was disturbing that someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn�t even read it.� �I�m still proud of Sarah,� she added, �but she scares the bejeebers out of me.� ... �I said, �You know, Sarah, within 10 years you could be governor,� � Ms. Chase recalled. �She replied, �I want to be president.� �

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"She and her backers are borderline extreme conservatives," Langill said. "They think only their way is the right way and if you question that, you will feel the backlash. "I define extremists as those who push their agenda on others." http://www.thestar.com/USElection/article/498680

Talk about koolaid.

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Originally posted by Q5echo thats your opinion but you can't honestly say based on the interview she wants to go to war with Russia. thats the point.

I don't think anybody said she wants to go to war with Russia - the outcry was over how cavalierly she said it.

I honestly don't have a problem with what she said there. If those countries are NATO allies and Russia attacked them then yes, we would be bound by treaty to defend them. Will that scenario ever happen? I doubt it. Russia will continue their sabre-rattling in an effort to keep Ukraine and Georgia out of NATO, but if those countries do become NATO memembers do you honestly think Russia is going to risk war with all of NATO over them? Russian leaders are not stupid, that is not a conflict they can win and they know it. They may be willing to play the game of brinksmanship over it, but there would be no war. Both sides know the potential consequences of such a conflict and would not risk it over something as trivial as a little bit of land in Georgia.

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Originally posted by XaNaX I honestly don't have a problem with what she said there. If those countries are NATO allies and Russia attacked them then yes, we would be bound by treaty to defend them. Will that scenario ever happen? I doubt it. Russia will continue their sabre-rattling in an effort to keep Ukraine and Georgia out of NATO, but if those countries do become NATO memembers do you honestly think Russia is going to risk war with all of NATO over them? Russian leaders are not stupid, that is not a conflict they can win and they know it. They may be willing to play the game of brinksmanship over it, but there would be no war. Both sides know the potential consequences of such a conflict and would not risk it over something as trivial as a little bit of land in Georgia.

We provoke wars on purpose, in case you didn't get the memo.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby We provoke wars on purpose, in case you didn't get the memo.

only against countries that can be easily defeated with no ability to attack us on our own soil. Russia doesn't fit the bill

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"She's not telling the truth when she told ABC neither she nor her husband pressured me to fire Trooper Wooten," said Walt Monegan, the Alaskan official whose dismissal by Sarah Palin is the focus of a state investigation known as "Troopergate". "And she's not telling the truth to the media about her reasons for firing me." http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/s...=5804703&page=1

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Palin's Personal Email Hacked, Posted Online Did the internet just cause Sarah Palin to destroy evidence? The potential Veep is in a bit of trouble for conducting state business using her personal, unarchived email address ([email protected]) instead of her official account (which is, of course, subject to laws requiring the retention of government records). Emails from that Yahoo account are already being sought in connection with the Troopergate investigation. Now comes word that Anonymous, the fun-loving Internet trouble-makers based loosely around the message board 4Chan, gained access to another Palin email account: [email protected]. It looks legit! The offending posts, screenshots, heretofore unseen family photos, and emails have all been deleted from Imageshack and 4Chan. But we have them. You want to read Sarah Palin's email? Ok, sad thing first: a good Samaritan reset the password and tried to alert Sarah. But he also posted the new password, causing multiple people to try to log in at once, freezing the account for 24 hours. And now, the account has been deleted! Which is, as we said, maybe destruction of evidence? So for now this is, we think, all we'll get to see from this email account (if anyone finds evidence of saved emails, let us know.) The full timeline of events, with corroborating evidence of the legitimacy of these screengrabs, is here. Here's why it all looks convincing: * The emails to Ivy Frye, a Palin aide who's mentioned in the earlier email stories specifically wondering how best to hide her correspondence with the governor. * The attached contact list (below) features an email address for husband Todd Palin that is legit. As well as an apparently genuine phone number for Bristol Palin and an address for Beth Leschper, Palin's deputy communications director. * The email from Amy McCorkell, a known associate of Palin's from Wasilla who might have the governor's personal email address. * Emails to and from Lt Governor Sean Parnell about a local radio talk host. * Calls to the phone number listed for Bristol Palin apparently go to her voicemail. * The public profile for the gov.palin address dates its last update to April of this year�well before she became McCain's running mate. So if it's a hoax, it's a hoax that began long before anyone outside of Alaska cared about Palin. * We haven't seen these family photos before. Have we? * The previously accessible public profiles for gov.sarah@yahoo and gov.palin@yahoo were both deleted at the same time. Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It's newsworthy and we will not be taking it down! http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-pal...-account-hacked

Kinda lame because it doesn't really show much. Apparently the account has now been deleted. Go to link for material.

EDIT: ZDNet is reporting additional emails may be released later. Honestly if I made a hack like that the first thing I'd do is copy everything so this could become an ongoing thing throughout the campaign.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1919

Main stream media picked up the story.

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In the latest of a series of invasions into Sarah Palin�s personal life, hackers have broken into the Republican vice presidential candidate�s private e-mail account, and a widely read Web site has published screen grabs from it. An article Wednesday in Gawker.com posts family photos and snapshots of e-mail exchanges the Alaska governor had with colleagues. Gawker says the-email account has since been shut down, but it will leave the images up on its site for all to see. �Here are the screenshots of the emails saved before the account went dark, along with the contact list. It�s newsworthy and we will not be taking it down!� the site declares. Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain, released a statement calling the publication a �shocking invasion of the governor�s privacy and a violation of law.� �The matter has been turned over to the appropriate authorities and we hope that anyone in possession of these e-mails will destroy them. We will have no further comment,� Davis said. The article boasts about the lengths to which the reporter went to verify the account, saying he or she even called a phone number listed for Palin�s teenage daughter, Bristol, which apparently went to her voicemail. The site also listed dozens of contact e-mails from the account. Both WIRED and Gawker reported that members claiming to be with a group known as Anonymous took credit for hacking into Palin�s account. Screen grabs were published on other Web sites and then deleted, Gawker reported. They reportedly came from a Yahoo e-mail account Palin uses � one separate from another private account that was publicized in The Washington Post last week. Gawker complained that Palin has since �deleted� the account, and suggested she was trying to �destroy evidence.� Palin has faced scrutiny for using her private account to do government business. The Washington Post reported last week that a local Republican activist is trying to get Palin to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request. The appeal reportedly questions why Palin and her aides shift between public and private e-mail accounts. A spokeswoman in the governor�s office in Alaska declined to comment Wednesday, referring questions from FOXNews.com to the McCain-Palin campaign. �Primarily we�re referring people to the campaign because honestly people wouldn�t be asking these questions if she wasn�t a candidate for [vice president],� spokeswoman Kate Morgan said. The Palin family was subjected to intense scrutiny after she was selected as John McCain�s running mate on Aug. 29. Reporters descended on her home town of Wasilla, Alaska, as the media focused on her unwed teenage daughter�s pregnancy. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/0...ed-on-web-site/

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Originally posted by XaNaX only against countries that can be easily defeated with no ability to attack us on our own soil. Russia doesn't fit the bill

Correct. There we dig up dirt. And forge economies.

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McCain Campaign Soaked by Stories of Palin Strife 10/27/08 at 9:00 AM Comment 36Comment 36Comments Not awkward at all. Not awkward at all.Photo: Getty Images Last Thursday we sensed some strife in the wind, buoyed by stories of $150,000 wardrobes and "lack of chemistry." Get ready, we said, because as the McCain campaign begins to stumble toward the finish line, you're going to start reading all sorts of stories about how John McCain and Sarah Palin are seriously butting heads. The very next day, the reports started hitting newsstands and the Internet, resulting in a weekend devoted to documenting every little bit of gristle in the tough, maverick-y meat of the Republican ticket. Turns out Palin is reportedly chafing against the former Bush aides tasked to manage her, and has added a constitutional amendment against gay marriage and campaign "robocalls" to the list of topics on which she publicly disagrees with McCain. Here are some of the best bits: � "There's a faction within the McCain campaign has begun to whisper about Gov. Sarah Palin to reporters. The faction includes staff members and advisers who consult with staff members. It does not seem to include any members of the senior staff, although the definition of the senior staff here is a bit elastic. This faction has come to believe that Palin, perhaps unwittingly, subconsciously or otherwise, has begun to play Sen. McCain off of the base, consistently and deliberately departed from the campaign's message of the day in ways that damage McCain." [Atlantic] � "'She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane,' said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to 'go rogue' in some of her public pronouncements and decisions. 'I think she'd like to go more rogue,' he said � 'These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves,' a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, the sometimes painful content of which the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week." [Politico] � "Things have gotten so tense between Palin and her traveling staff, an insider said, that she's overruling their advice � which was evident last week when she ignored GOP aides piling into waiting cars at a Colorado event and strolled over to the press corps for an impromptu talk." [NYP] � Despite the McCain campaign's wishes, Palin made an impromptu announcement on NBC Nightly News last week that that they should release her medical records. Today it was learned that they'll do this in the next couple of days. [ABC News] � "'She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone,' said [a] McCain adviser. "She does not have any relationships of trust with any of us, her family or anyone else. Also, she is playing for her own future and sees herself as the next leader of the party. Remember: Divas trust only unto themselves, as they see themselves as the beginning and end of all wisdom." [CNN] � At a Tampa rally yesterday, Palin blasted the RNC for buying her a $150,000 wardrobe, calling it "ridiculous." Unsurprisingly, these were not the remarks that were sent to her in the morning by the McCain campaign. [UPI] http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/1...tel--yahoo-buzz

Well this has been a fun ride.

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