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Finally someone made a usable controller

Just when custom made controllers were becoming affordable....

Vestex VCM-600




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Price will be around $900, no built-in converter

Looks okay, but $900? Used Xone 3D's are selling for $1400ish, which is definitely worth the extra price. Or you could buy my used Korg Zero 8 for a few hundred more, hehehe.

i've been so interested in this thing

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Originally posted by DJ Simo Looks okay, but $900? Used Xone 3D's are selling for $1400ish, which is definitely worth the extra price. Or you could buy my used Korg Zero 8 for a few hundred more, hehehe.

How come you are selling it? Or you just making a joke?

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That piece equipment not cheap IMO. That's if the companies in question are right on the price when i google it.

I can get Vestax VCM-100 for around $400 to $500 and that cheaper yet then what we see and is there first model of it.

That is pretty hot, but I'm not so sure it's $900 hot.

Ok folks, it's not even shipping yet. The "real" price might be a bit cheaper.

For ableton, this thing stomps ALL OVER the Xone 3D. The layout is nearly perfect for ableton, and it's even labeled with labels that match functions in ableton (obviously you can remap, but it's pretty much the way I'd want it the way it is).

The problem with the Xone 3D and ableton is:

1. Mixing "in the box" (in software) using the MIDI sections sucks. There's not enough knobs for eq'ing plus effects, etc, AND mixing. Take a look at some sample layouts people have put out on the net... stuff is mapped all over the place due to layout constraints.

2. If you forgo number 1, and mix "out of the box" (using the Xone 92-like analog portion in the middle), the soundcard only has 3 stereo outputs... A 3 channel limit (with one used for cueing) in ableton is pretty lame.

3. The MIDI has too much latency.

4. The soundcard has dropout issues.

This is why I sold mine. Now the Xone 4D basically corrects all these problems, as long as you're fine mixing "out of the box"... which I actually prefer, coming from "real" DJ mixers. If I had the 4D now I'd probably just use it with Traktor, however, as personally I feel that mixer is better suited to the traditional DJ paradigm.

The VCM-600 lets you do everything in software and use whatever soundcard you like. You really only need a 4 out soundcard (one for master, one for cue). But it's really suited for strict ableton use.

Apparently Sasha's Maven is due to be announced soon... don't know who's manufacturing it though.

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Originally posted by DJ Simo Looks okay, but $900? Used Xone 3D's are selling for $1400ish, which is definitely worth the extra price. Or you could buy my used Korg Zero 8 for a few hundred more, hehehe.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Apparently Sasha's Maven is due to be announced soon... don't know who's manufacturing it though.

Where'd you hear that? Through the grapevine or was there an online source? (Just curious )

I think on beatportal or something... I didn't just make it up

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Originally posted by Stasis Where'd you hear that? Through the grapevine or was there an online source? (Just curious )

exactly what ryan said, the xone:3d has more flaws for digital mixing than most controllers aimed at that side of the market. the midi section is pretty cramped, 2 knobs a channel was a really bad idea, you need at LEAST 3 for those that would rather want to program their own EQ section than use the A&H one. the sound card is crap, 3 channels on a 4 channel mixer (lol?). it may not be that big of a deal to some people who are doing the regular a-b mixing with some effect usage but, to those that are use to using 4 channels and need that extra channel, it gets annoying and confusing.

this is beautiful, from the layout to the look, it's awesome. now, i'm confused about one thing, i've been reading some forums and i can't seem to get a lot of info on this thing at all, so here's my question to you Ryan - does it have motorized faders? i've been seeing people talk about it but i'm not sure if it does or doesn't. if it does, that would be tremendous, would provide a HUGE impact on my mixing.

hopefully this goes down in price by the time it's released, will purchase it if it's somewhere in a decent price-range to use along side the xone and lemur

The VCM-600 was released at NAMM last year....still waiting to hear about actual production and price on this thing. But yeah, it seems like the only good Ableton controller on the market.

Well it was this year, in January

I don't think it has motorized faders.

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Originally posted by Soundwerks The VCM-600 was released at NAMM last year....still waiting to hear about actual production and price on this thing. But yeah, it seems like the only good Ableton controller on the market.

It' all about the layout and build quality and Vestex got them both right. To be honest when I first saw this I thought the $900 price tag was just too good to be true, I'd happily buy this even if it was $1500. For Ableton users this will be the only controller needed for years to come.

For that kind of money, you might as well just buy a real mixer

If it's as solid as their other products, I will buy one the day it's out.

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Originally posted by RJT If it's as solid as their other products, I will buy one the day it's out.

It has the same quality as their other controllers. Apparently Vestex is the only manufacture who realizes that midi controllers too need to have a high quality construction. Just because you want to move to digital shouldn't mean that you have to deal with crappy knobs and faders.

damn would b nice mixing on that

I'm saving for one of these at the mo. Can't wait to be able to use this with Ableton.

Unless its metal and really incredibly well made, I think that its obscenely expensive. Probably even then would only be worth $400 IMO. But I do appreciate that finally someone has made the effort to make a decent ableton controller.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Unless its metal and really incredibly well made, I think that its obscenely expensive. Probably even then would only be worth $400 IMO. But I do appreciate that finally someone has made the effort to make a decent ableton controller.

It is metal and very well made. Vestax has always put out products with good build quality.

I demoed this last week in Madison. I will be purchasing one, and actually debated trying to pre-order it.

Rock solid build quality, everything, EVERYTHING is fully assignable.

Hello digital is what I say.

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Originally posted by Zild It is metal and very well made. Vestax has always put out products with good build quality.

Well, thats to their credit, still seems overpriced though, especially given that you still need a soundcard. Now if they built a 4 channel soundcard in, that would justify the price.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Well, thats to their credit, still seems overpriced though, especially given that you still need a soundcard. Now if they built a 4 channel soundcard in, that would justify the price.

I would agree with that, but honestly - they put so much effort into creating a decent feeling flexible control surface, the lack of a sound card really felt less painful after playing around with it.

I don't know if it's worth a grand, but I'd probably pay close to that.

I'd love to demo it in person before really determining its worth tbh. My gut instict is that it's not worth the price without built-in soundcard, but then again, I'd probably be pretty seduced by the thought of a usable MIDI controller that didn't feel like a toy.

looks like everything i need but for now im happy with my new evolution uc33

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