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What's it take to get a vinyl release these days

To those with experience in the music market: what does it take to get a release on vinyl these days, especially from an unknown artist?

The high cost, lack of return, and many more reasons not to release anything on vinyl spring to mind; however, I know there are still a few labels out there who put out a 12" every so often.

Is this just fan-service, or do people today still have a chance of getting their tracks cut pressed onto wax?

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Originally posted by Watts To those with experience in the music market: what does it take to get a release on vinyl these days, especially from an unknown artist? The high cost, lack of return, and many more reasons not to release anything on vinyl spring to mind; however, I know there are still a few labels out there who put out a 12" every so often. Is this just fan-service, or do people today still have a chance of getting their tracks cut pressed onto wax?

There are still labels that cut vinyl, but not a lot do it anymore. Cutting vinyl is really expensive opposite to digital distibution. I really don't know why they do it anymore to be honest, over time, vinyl loses his quality where mp3 never does. And also think of the destibution costs, the mp3 just has to be uploaded.

Some major labels like Armada, Anjunabeats, Bonzai etc still press some vinyl, but I thinks it's gonna be past tense.

If you make sure that one of your tracks is really top-notch and get signed by one of those labels, you'll have a shot on getting it on vinyl. But I predict that within 10 years the vinyl will be gone.

I think for trance even sooner!

In most other genres vinyl will stay a a couple of years more.

I did a research project for school which partly included numbers about mp3 sales. Especially armada seemed to come out pretty well in online sales with tremendous growth of online sales over the past few years (I had some info from insiders there ).


Biggest chance of getting your music on vinyl would be doing it yourself.

I can't really see any other really good reasons to why vinyl would be good other than nostalgy to be honest.

I myself love the digital distribution available theese days, so easy and hazzlefree

Vinyl is far from dead - especially in some genres.
Drum & Bass being one where vinyl is still very much the dominant format.

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Originally posted by Freak Vinyl is far from dead - especially in some genres. Drum & Bass being one where vinyl is still very much the dominant format.

Still I think it's coming to an end pretty soon. Don't know about drum 'n bass, but if you say vinyl is dominant there, I believe you. Fact is that with illegally downloading music, recordlabels and artist don't earn that much anymore, and to keep the costs low (and ofcourse go the easiest way) most just sell MP3 nowadays.
Maybe most important is that the quality of digital music of much higher that analog ofcourse ..

I'm glad I got a vinyl release while it was still the dominant format. These days, unless you manage to get a release on a huge label (Armada, Discover, Anjuna, etc), getting a track pressed to vinyl is damn near impossible... unless you want to pay for the release yourself?

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Just curious, does anyone here have any experiences with having vinyls pressed on their own? Could you share your experiences with them, and recommend for or against any particular companies?

It takes a good record and a real actual label with a business plan and direction and money to invest in getting your music out there.

pay for it yourself

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Originally posted by CLICK_RAREVINYL It takes a good record and a real actual label with a business plan and direction and money to invest in getting your music out there.

I wasn't asking how to make money off vinyl. I'm just curious to know if anyone here has had any vinyls made on their own, and what their experiences were.

I just realized you guys are probably replying to the original post.

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Originally posted by david.michael I wasn't asking how to make money off vinyl. I'm just curious to know if anyone here has had any vinyls made on their own, and what their experiences were.

minimums used to be 500 and in very rare cases 250 and even more rare 100. 1000 presses seemed somewhat normal. It used to usually be done in batches in order to keep labels from losing a bunch of money (press a bunch, sell a little) - Many of you who used to buy vinyl will certainly remember new releases running out and later being re-stocked.

Vinyl is not pressed today because there is just no demand for it. As another posted noted, D&B still uses it a lot, but not much else. Digital mp3 is cheaper, easier, sounds better, makes more sense, etc. You gotta remember that not only is vinyl very expensive, needles and upkeep are expensive as well. It's simply an archaic way of playing music and unfortunately it's not popular anymore. (I miss my $300 a month vinyl bills and dropping big bucks on my ortofans)

The only clear advantage I can think of regarding vinyl is you could make money off bootleg remixes.

Just as an FYI to anyone else reading this thread, came across http://www.rainborecords.com/vinyl.htm

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley Digital mp3...sounds better

No it doesn't.

I agree with the rest of your post, though. I also like the fact that the digital revolution has enabled amateurs like me to release music to the masses.

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Originally posted by david.michael Just as an FYI to anyone else reading this thread, came across http://www.rainborecords.com/vinyl.htm

So, do you think it would be worth it? Are you looking to press up some of your tracks or what?

Very intriguing, this place is about an hour from my house: http://www.musicolrecording.com/vinyl/

Similar pricing.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles So, do you think it would be worth it? Are you looking to press up some of your tracks or what?

Oh I dunno, just a little fleeting whim that I got curious about and wondered what something like that would cost. Definitely something that will be in the back of my mind. Obviously, if I did, it's something I would do for promotional purposes, not profit purposes.

If I had money to burn I would probably do it for the heck of it, just to have something of mine on a record.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles No it doesn't. I agree with the rest of your post, though. I also like the fact that the digital revolution has enabled amateurs like me to release music to the masses.

not going to argue about opinions but i don't understand how something can sound better than its original source.

If you have a hard on for getting a record to show off have an acetate pressed

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles If I had money to burn I would probably do it for the heck of it, just to have something of mine on a record.

Yeah, that's also a big part of it.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley If you have a hard on for getting a record to show off have an acetate pressed

I thought about that, too. The quick wear does turn me off to that, though.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley not going to argue about opinions but i don't understand how something can sound better than its original source.

Well let me help you understand this then.
Vinyl is mastered with actual hardware processors before it is pressed. Most pressing plants offer mastering for free with 500 copies and that version is what people hear as the finished product. Mp3s form bedroom producers and net label owners are usually mastered with crappy software multibands. So the sound quality suffers.

And you explain nothing. We're talking about vinyl and digital. You can't sit here and use the perfect scenario for a vinyl master and the worst for a digital master. You forgot to add you're playing the vinyl from Ortofan's and comparing it with 96kbs mp3's.

Sorry Mr. Vinyl hustler, but digital audio is better when things are equal, period.

ps. Get your rebuttal in quickly because I'm not sure how much longer you'll be around here.

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Originally posted by DjStephenWiley And you explain nothing. We're talking about vinyl and digital. You can't sit here and use the perfect scenario for a vinyl master and the worst for a digital master. You forgot to add you're playing the vinyl from Ortofan's and comparing it with 96kbs mp3's. Sorry Mr. Vinyl hustler, but digital audio is better when things are equal, period. ps. Get your rebuttal in quickly because I'm not sure how much longer you'll be around here.

Oh no! Big boss net label owner is gonna start pulling the strings...

And no FYI. That is not the best case scenario. That just what happens often.

The best case scenario would be for a label to master a track at their labels mastering studio with an engineer that knows their music and then send that CD24 straight off the masterlink to another pressing plant to press the vinyl.

This is a more costly option than just using the mastering services that come with the 500 pressing deal.

Here is an example... Do you know any of these records?

http://www.exchangemastering.co.uk/albums7.html

But yes I will agree with you if mastered properly a CD release can sound good too. But often that is not the case. Nobody has $100.000 worth of mastering equipment sitting around in their house. But at least with vinyl there is a mastering standard. And this is why it is generally accepted that electronic music pressed on vinyl sounds better.

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