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cd vs vinyl

now this subject has propably been brought up before but i need to awaken this beast again.
now alot of people out there are of the opinion that djs should use vinyl basically because it pleases the crowd to see records as opposed to cds. but other than that i dont see that vinyl is any better than cd.
i could make a huge list on the benefits of cds as opposed to vinyl but what good would it do me b/c i am also of the opinion that djs should use vinyl.
but why do we still use records, thats where i am confused. i mean i just think its a whole lot easier, economical, and avilable to use cd.
is there a lot of people out there who also use cds when mixing? i heard that Mauro Picotto does it and ive seen good djs doing it before at clubs.
so whats the deal?

my reason is because of one word:

manipulation.

You cant do that with a CD. besides---CD mixing takes the fun out of it. The newer CD mixers out beatmatch on their own and all you do is hit play. Can you really be called a DJ by pushing buttons? With vinyl you can do so much with it. Personally I prefer the sound of vinyl as to a CD. For those of us that scratch as well as mix......can you scratch with a CD mixer?? (well nowadays who knows....maybe you can) Anywho, that is my opinion. Manipulation.

hey i use both
for one reason
some things are never pressed so u can get them in mp3 format and play them from cd
one song i play a lot on cd that is not on vinyl is rank 1-many miles too soon
i try to get everthing on vinyl just cause its more fun to play and collect

i agree with most of the previous comments except for this one or two:


CD mixing takes the fun out of it. The newer CD mixers out beatmatch on their own and all you do is hit play.

i find it fun to play in front of an audience regardless of what media is being used.

if someone is using automatic mixing features, it is that someone's problem, not the CD/mp3 format.

My mate uses CD's. He is very good. Very very good. He has a pair of faily old cd decks so he doesnt just "Have to hit play".

I use vinyl cos I love the feel of them and the fact you have to wait ages for a certain tune and when you get it you bang it out where-ever possible.

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Originally posted by neo geo some things are never pressed so u can get them in mp3 format and play them from cd one song i play a lot on cd that is not on vinyl is rank 1-many miles too soon

The 'mp3' DJ is the one that I disrespect the most. They play something that may have been a treasure for another DJ to find on Vinyl. I know this may attract critisizm, but i think that DJing with MP3's is totally wrong, especially if you are making money off of it. Example, if you were payed 300 bones for a set and you played almost all of it with CD-R's containing formatted MP3's. You would pocket all the money, you would only have to pay for the CD-R itself and probably dial up. Me on the other hand.....I use ever last penny to buy more vinyl. So the 300 that I would get payed goes to new goodies to mix with and 10 or so new vinyl. I love the format of MP3 though. If it wasnt for MP3's I would have never found trance, and without this site I would still be behind in the whole trance scene. Finding and talking about the tracks here enables me to listen to them, see if I like them then go out and buy the song on vinyl.
As for the DJ's that use CD-Maxi's and Mini's------I will give you so much more props than the MP3 DJ's.

My 2 cents on this. ( I know this will prolly piss off some folk, but I don't care. all of this is IMO.)

stupid thread, hopefully it will get closed.

vinyl sounds better

I know this may attract critisizm, but i think that DJing with MP3's is totally wrong, especially if you are making money off of it. Example, if you were payed 300 bones for a set and you played almost all of it with CD-R's containing formatted MP3's. You would pocket all the money, you would only have to pay for the CD-R itself and probably dial up.


i see. so what you are saying is that ALL mp3s are illegal. interesting.


and this part here:
i think that DJing with MP3's is totally wrong, especially if you are making money off of it.

you are saying that it is okay to play mp3s track by track at home, but it is not okay to mix mp3s for fun at someone else's home at a party or something.

Why don;t you just use both cause there are alot of good tunes you can't get on Vinyl or can't find! Like fricken SKF - Childhood Fears. I want it so bad and can't fricken find it! But I would DJ with both. have 2 decks and a cd player and a 3 channel mixer and your set.

obs read the damn post properly, think about it and then respond.

his complaint is that he spends all his gig money on new vinyl, whereas the mp3 dj doesn't have to do that because they can just download the tracks.

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but it is not okay to mix mp3s for fun at someone else's home at a party or something.

umm .. when was the last time u got paid 300 bucks for mixing at a friend's party?

And DJ Neilson, if you think a thread is stupid, don't click on it.

The 300 bills was from an apartment complex party they threw. ( I lived there ) and the first amount for 6 hours was 3 bills. Otherwise i only ask 50 per event.

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DJ Neilson, if you think a thread is stupid, don't click on it.

I find many threads stupid, that makes this forum interesting

his complaint is that he spends all his gig money on new vinyl, whereas the mp3 dj doesn't have to do that because they can just download the tracks.


if i was a mobile deejay and instead of carrying around shitloads of CDs/vinyls, i decided to mp3 them all and use two notebooks, why is that bad?

i would have to agree with trance_nut...spinning on vinyl is so much more fun than spinning on CDs...you get to feel the vinyl rather than using that turn nob to try to mix your song...

the Pioneer CDJ-1000 mimics vinyl pretty good(though they go for a couple thousand each). It has 2 turn tables above that act like vinyl...you move it and it makes the scatch sound. There is no automatic beat match so you you slow/speed up the records just like vinyl.

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alot of people out there are of the opinion that djs should use vinyl basically because it pleases the crowd to see records as opposed to cds.

Half the events & shows I've been to, the poor bastard/bastardette was either in the dark or hidden in fake fog.

There is a difference in sound - that vinyl crunch. Any of you downloaded "Lee James - Tactics" in the New Tracks section of this site? Now that's vinyl - warpy, grungy vinyl.

Away from DJing for a sec, I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that CDs just don't encourage repeated listenings the way other media do. I'd play my tapes till they sounded like they survived a flood. Hell, even MP3s are better for listening to over and over. I'll play a CD once and then put it away for a few days.

Maybe it's because I pay so much for sucky CDs and find better stuff on anything else....

OK good points on both sides, But to the statement that mp3 Djs don't have to pay anything, If you are in the USA and a Mp3 dj I hopw to god you dont get caught, Its perfectly legal to play burns if you have the vinyl or cd original, otherwise your talking about getting your decks checked, a 2000 dollar fine and possibly more, It happened to my uncle. And no he is not a club Dj, he is a moble wedding dj and they got him at a small wedding hall

I personally have a tech 1200 mk2 and 2 american Dj cd decks, this lets me buy the vinyl then burn it and play it on both mediums. Also this gives me the ability to have 2 or more of every track , I think thats kind of cool.

I found this on howstuffworks.com

Question

I hear people saying that vinyl records have a better sound quality than CDs or even DVDs. How can this be?

Answer



The answer lies in the difference between analog and digital recordings. A vinyl record is an analog recording, and CDs and DVDs are digital recordings. Take a look at the graph below. Original sound is analog by definition. A digital recording takes snapshots of the analog signal at a certain rate (for CDs it is 44,100 times per second) and measures each snapshot with a certain accuracy (for CDs it is 16-bit, which means the value must be one of 65,536 possible values).

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Comparison of a raw analog audio signal to the CD audio and DVD audio output


This means that, by definition, a digital recording is not capturing the complete sound wave. It is approximating it with a series of steps. Some sounds that have very quick transitions, such as a drum beat or a trumpet's tone, will be distorted because they change too quickly for the sample rate.

In your home stereo the CD or DVD player takes this digital recording and converts it to an analog signal, which is fed to your amplifier. The amplifier then raises the voltage of the signal to a level powerful enough to drive your speaker.

A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost. The output of a record player is analog. It can be fed directly to your amplifier with no conversion.

This means that the waveforms from a vinyl recording can be much more accurate, and that can be heard in the richness of the sound. But there is a downside, any specks of dust or damage to the disc can be heard as noise or static. During quiet spots in songs this noise may be heard over the music. Digital recordings don't degrade over time, and if the digital recording contains silence, then there will be no noise.

From the graph above you can see that CD quality audio does not do a very good job of replicating the original signal. The main ways to improve the quality of a digital recording are to increase the sampling rate and to increase the accuracy of the sampling.

The recording industry has a new standard for DVD audio discs that will greatly improve the sound quality. The table below lists the sampling rate and the accuracy for CD recordings, and the maximum sampling rate and accuracy for DVD recordings. DVDs can hold 74 minutes of music at their highest quality level. CDs can also hold 74 minutes of music. By lowering either the sampling rate or the accuracy, DVDs can hold more music. For instance a DVD can hold almost 7 hours of CD quality audio.

CD Audio DVD Audio
Sampling Rate 44.1 kHz 192 kHz
Samples per second 44,100 192,000
Sampling Accuracy 16-bit 24-bit
Number of Possible Output Levels 65,536 16,777,216



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I am considering on getting a cd deck so i can whip in the odd rare tune

that how stuff works crap gawd

just go on and take a vinyl signal and compare it with a cd signal thru a spectrum analyser. that website is plainly bullshittin'.

lol...
i dont know if i believe that site 100% either..
but i do belive that in vinyl hi and low frequencies will soud better.
so if u want vocals use cd's eheheeheh .
But a typical Pvd beat will sound much better on the good ol'vinyl.

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