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CBC - Fifth Estate - The Lies That Led To War

This is a must watch for all the PDD regulars...

yeah, feels a little cheap to be honest. i would recommend one of these

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...ows/truth/view/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...hows/iraq/view/

and this one is particularly good, and really illustrates discord within the evil monolithic and all-powerful agencies (plus showing executive incompetence).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/view/

that is hardly "cheap" journalism. The Fifth Estate is an excellent investigative program that often criticises the Canadian government and points out problems in the real world. You should actually watch it.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 that is hardly "cheap" journalism. The Fifth Estate is an excellent investigative program that often criticises the Canadian government and points out problems in the real world. You should actually watch it.

what are you talking about? i watched the first half an hour, which is where my opinion came from. it felt overly dramatic and a little shallow tbh. i didnt like the reporter's delivery.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what are you talking about? i watched the first half an hour, which is where my opinion came from. it felt overly dramatic and a little shallow tbh. i didnt like the reporter's delivery.

so you don't like the style of the show?

Hmm. Well that doesn't take away from the effectiveness of the delivery of the message of the show, which is that the leadup to the war in Iraq was founded on a bunch of fucking horseshit!

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 so you don't like the style of the show? Hmm. Well that doesn't take away from the effectiveness of the delivery of the message of the show, which is that the leadup to the war in Iraq was founded on a bunch of fucking horseshit!

compared to the 3 docos i linked, it felt amateurish in comparison. maybe im just a frontline slut

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN compared to the 3 docos i linked, it felt amateurish in comparison. maybe im just a frontline slut

I disagree. I think they're all good and that more Americans should watch docs like them.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 I disagree.

you've watched them then i take it?

never understood why people focus on the Saudi Arabian connection and think it's some diabolical conspiracy that we didn't invade Saudi Arabia because 14 of the 9/11 hi-jackers were Saudi. the rest were from UAE, Egypt and one from Lebanon

the Saudis kicked Bin Laden out of the Kingdom and wanted nothing to do with him or his followers. they saw him as a threat and rightly so becuase Bin Laden saw the monarchy as blasphemous for letting a foriegn army occupy themselves near Mecca and Medina. this was common knowledge looooooonnngggg before 9/11.

that CBC video is very disingenuous about the terrorist countries of origin of all the assorted attacks prior to 9/11 very propagandist-like because it relies on the viewers ignorance about who these individual hi-jackers are/were and where they all came from. all the video says is that they were connected to Bin Laden and that Bin Laden was Saudi.

Ramzi Youseff, who orchestrated the '93 WTC bombing, was Kuwaiti. the mastermind of 9/11 and Youseff's uncle, Kahlid Sheik Mohamed, was also Kuwaiti and never spent any real time in Saudi Arabia.

the U.S.S. Cole bombers were mostly from Yemen funded by the Sudanese.

This gets to the point much faster.




(Thank you Sean Penn)

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN compared to the 3 docos i linked, it felt amateurish in comparison. maybe im just a frontline slut

Frontline sets the bar in my opinion too.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what are you talking about? i watched the first half an hour, which is where my opinion came from. it felt overly dramatic and a little shallow tbh. i didnt like the reporter's delivery.

We are talking about an inherantly biased station that's broadcasting this to begin with - CBC is a 1 Billion dollar /yr taxpayer vorpal pit acting as Canada's last stand against American stations/culture in the name of, "Canadian Culture"...

/nobody watches Canadian programing anyways...

//CBC is a bloated, bureaucratic dinosaur that needs to go extinct...

///slashes FTW!!!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Frontline sets the bar in my opinion too.

I like them all.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r We are talking about an inherantly biased station that's broadcasting this to begin with - CBC is a 1 Billion dollar /yr taxpayer vorpal pit acting as Canada's last stand against American stations/culture in the name of, "Canadian Culture"... /nobody watches Canadian programing anyways... //CBC is a bloated, bureaucratic dinosaur that needs to go extinct... ///slashes FTW!!!

Not surprised you'de want to abolish public television in your country. For what? Corporate television??.....that's soooo much better right...??

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Originally posted by Krypton Not surprised you'de want to abolish public television in your country. For what? Corporate television??.....that's soooo much better right...??

Being that I work for one - hell yes, a thousand times better!

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Being that I work for one - hell yes, a thousand times better!

Corporate propaganda, eh.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Corporate propaganda, eh.

Just facts

If it wasn't for Hockey Night in Canada they'd already be dead and now that they've lost that, I have no idea what's holding that place together other than spit and paper that consists of my tax dollars...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r We are talking about an inherantly biased station that's broadcasting this to begin with - CBC is a 1 Billion dollar /yr taxpayer vorpal pit acting as Canada's last stand against American stations/culture in the name of, "Canadian Culture"...

lol why am I not surprised hearing this from you?CBC is one of the best news networks in the world and Iam very proud of what they have accomplished.

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/nobody watches Canadian programing anyways... //CBC is a bloated, bureaucratic dinosaur that needs to go extinct...

Tell us what else would you rather have instead genius.A canadian version of foxnews?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Frontline sets the bar in my opinion too.

Yeah, im trying to ration the frontline episodes, since they only have back to 2001 online. Im quickly running out! I really enjoyed and respected frontline for accusing frontline of dropping the ball in the lead-up to war in their 'war and media' doco.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Being that I work for one - hell yes, a thousand times better!

Yes, being subservient to commercial interests is 1000 times better......public broadcasting networks pwn corporate media in their independence from advertising interests.

another thing that pisses me off about the endless historical revision of Bin Laden and everything thing else is that, yeah, Saddam's Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but people don't seem to realize that it's NO SECRET at all that we can't prove nearly beyond a reasonable doubt that Bin Laden had any working relationship with 9/11 either. thats not a secret.

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Originally posted by Q5echo another thing that pisses me off about the endless historical revision of Bin Laden and everything thing else is that, yeah, Saddam's Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 but people don't seem to realize that it's NO SECRET at all that we can't prove nearly beyond a reasonable doubt that Bin Laden had any working relationship with 9/11 either. thats not a secret.

Wrong, it's well known the plans for the attack had been in the works since 1996.

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Originally posted by Krypton Yes, being subservient to commercial interests is 1000 times better......public broadcasting networks pwn corporate media in their independence from advertising interests.

that's the thing though, i thought the doco WAS corporate.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that's the thing though, i thought the doco WAS corporate.

How so?

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Originally posted by Krypton How so?

as i have stated, it felt overly dramatic and kind of "gotcha!"-ish. i didnt have a problem with the information presented, more that i felt the delivery was 'sexed up'.

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