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Who did not see this coming: palin related

Looks like the hubby is going to take the fall....

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Todd Palin: Sarah In Dark On Troopergate (CBS/AP) Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin remained in the dark while her husband repeatedly asked top state officials to help get his former brother-in-law kicked off the state police force, Palin's husband and top aides said in affidavits provided to The Associated Press. Palin, the Republican vice presidential nominee, is the focus of a legislative investigation into whether she abused her authority by firing the state's public safety commissioner to settle a long-standing family dispute. The commissioner says he was fired after resisting pressure to fire Mike Wooten, a trooper involved in a bitter divorce with Palin's sister. The investigation has been a distraction for John McCain's presidential campaign. Lawmakers were scheduled to meet Friday and release a report on the case, which could shed light on how Palin governs and what role her husband played in her administration. The affidavits filed with investigators late Wednesday will probably help Palin's defense that the firing was not a tit-for-tat, but they also portray her as uninvolved while her husband met repeatedly with her aides about family affairs. That could provide fodder for her political opponents. �Todd Palin�s statements may help provide the Governor some degree of cover in the probe,� said CBSNews.com senior political editor Vaughn Ververs, �but the level of his involvement here will probably raise even more questions and this continues to be a political distraction to the McCain campaign.� "I have heard criticism that I am too involved in my wife's administration," Todd Palin wrote in his affidavit. "My wife and I are very close. We are each other's best friend. I have helped her in her career the best I can, and she has helped me." The documents, released on the same day the state Supreme Court heard arguments in a lawsuit designed to block the probe, describe Todd Palin's extraordinary level of access to a variety of the governor's top aides. He told them emotional stories about Wooten threatening and emotionally abusing his family. He said he talked to anyone who would listen. He gave them photos and documents, which they forwarded to others in the administration, and he questioned how Wooten kept his job. Even Gov. Palin's special assistant, Ivy Frye, said she was distraught when she was told about the situation. "I've felt empathy for the Palin and Heath families in having to endure harassment, intimidation, threats and abuse from a former family member," Frye wrote. But Frye said she never talked about it with the governor or mentioned the idea of asking Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan to fire Wooten. Monegan says he was fired for not dismissing Wooten, a claim that touched off the politically charged investigation just before McCain chose Palin as his running mate. Palin says she fired Monegan over a budget dispute. The documents filed late Wednesday bolster that claim and also describe an effort by Monegan to wrest control of the department away from Palin. Todd Palin said he never pressured anyone - including his wife. In fact, he says that after talking about the matter with her repeatedly, she finally told him to "drop it." "Anyone who knows Sarah knows she is the governor and she calls the shots," Todd Palin wrote. "I make no apologies for wanting to protect my family and wanting to publicize the injustice of a violent trooper keeping his badge." Republican lawmakers argued Wednesday before the state Supreme Court that the legislative inquiry should be shut down and the report not released. Palin is not a part of that lawsuit. The state's personnel board also is looking into the matter and Palin has said she feels that inquiry is more appropriate. The Supreme Court said it would rule promptly but did not say when. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008...in4511568.shtml

I still say its a load of crap.....
this woman, remember praised vice president cheney for his new "powers" he invented....
and her husband who has no fucking biz in goverment affairs has now added more to discredit her.
Jesus Christ is this what some people think we need in the White House?? Q? can you explain this to me??



fucking crazy as shit,

I hear Palin is palling around with G. Gordon Liddy now and wants him to give a speech on ANWR.

Whatever, she's going to get off the hook for this one. We've got war criminals running our government, what makes you think Palin is actually going to be prosecuted for corruption?

If by some sheer chance this is true (i will give it the benefit of the doubt, but considering all the lies that come from that side i seriously doubt that it is) does anyone think that this makes her look any better? What it basically says is, "My wife isn't abusing power, she is just completely incompetent". Seriously, the governors husband talking to the top state officials about getting someone fired over a personal agenda and she hears nothing about what's going on? Not a thing? I find that seriously hard to swallow.

Hey this is great...I can see it now...

Palin divorces her oppressive, criminal husband making her an even-more-independent single mom just trying to make her way in this crazy world, while at the same time distancing herself from Troopergate and her ties to the Alaskan liberation group. By gee golly willikers, she'll be just about as perfect a hockey mom can be!



Heck, if she doesn't become VP she'll give Lifetime, Oxygen, We and OH! enough material for made-for-TV movies for the next decade.

I'm not saying anything to the effect of her current trial. I just think its amusing she is enlisting the aid of a convicted Nixonian asswipe while hitting Obama for Ayers who was never convicted of anything.

LOL

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Panel: Palin abused power in trooper case ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday. "Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report states. Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to fire him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states. However, it states that her efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action. The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday. About 1,000 more pages of documents compiled during the inquiry will remain confidential, the council's chairman, state Sen. Kim Elton, said. Rep. John Coghill, a Republican who criticized the handling of the investigation, said it was "well-done professionally." But he said some of the conclusions were judgment calls by Branchflower, and recommended readers should view them with a "jaundiced eye." Monegan said he was fired after refusing pressure to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten, who had gone through an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister. Palin has repeatedly denied wrongdoing, describing Wooten as a "rogue trooper" who had threatened her family. Wooten denied the allegations. At a campaign stop Thursday, Palin told reporters that she has "absolutely nothing to hide" in the investigation. The governor originally agreed to cooperate with the Legislative Council inquiry, and disclosed in August that her advisers had contacted Department of Public Safety officials nearly two dozen times regarding her ex-brother-in-law. But when she became Sen. John McCain's running mate, her advisers began painting the investigation as a weapon of Democratic partisans. Ahead of Friday's hearing, Palin supporters wearing clown costumes and carrying balloons denounced the investigation as a "kangaroo court" and a "three-ring circus" led by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. The state senator managing the investigation, Sen. Hollis French, fueled those complaints with a September 2 interview in which he warned the inquiry could yield an "October Surprise" for the GOP. But Palin's lawyers already had begun pushing for the state Personnel Board to launch its own investigation, calling it the proper legal venue for the matter.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: this is the best election ever.

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Originally posted by Renegade I've said it before and I'll say it again: this is the best election ever.

really? i find it all rather depressing. how is the rest of the world meant to respect the US citizenry when the republican nomination shows such little respect for them in his VP choice?

30%-50% of (voting) americans are about to show the world how fucking stupid they are. its just sad seriously, do you feel anything but (uneasy) nationalistic pride for howard/costello/turnbull when compared to this clusterfuck? fuck me, how embarrassing for the sole superpower.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fuck me, how embarrassing for the sole superpower.

Well that's that I guess. So much for the republicans. We'll see how the Stevens' trial goes and they could end up loosing the state completely.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN really? i find it all rather depressing. how is the rest of the world meant to respect the US citizenry when the republican nomination shows such little respect for them in his VP choice? 30%-50% of (voting) americans are about to show the world how fucking stupid they are. its just sad seriously, do you feel anything but (uneasy) nationalistic pride for howard/costello/turnbull when compared to this clusterfuck? fuck me, how embarrassing for the sole superpower.

Sometimes I wonder if they're all the people who don't have the internet. They're all either old or folks from the depths of the red states, so it's possible. =P

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby Sometimes I wonder if they're all the people who don't have the internet. They're all either old or folks from the depths of the red states, so it's possible. =P

The problem isn't if they don't have the internet, it's that they do have email. The amount of far-right, ultra-conservative chain mail and message forwarding out there is staggering. Unfortunately, I have a few family members who seem to be in these loops and occasionally I'll have the "privilege" of reading some. The amount of "facts" and "truths" that these convey which are completely false and slanderous is astounding, but the problem is they're unquestionably believed as true.

It's funny how these people will be completely distrustful of anything said by a politician, especially them damn "libruls," but they'll take these inflammatory emails as gospel.

It takes a little bit of skill and knowledge to be able to use the net to find truth in politics and politicians, but you can be a complete idiot and still be able to read and forward email. It's a shame.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono The problem isn't if they don't have the internet, it's that they do have email. The amount of far-right, ultra-conservative chain mail and message forwarding out there is staggering. Unfortunately, I have a few family members who seem to be in these loops and occasionally I'll have the "privilege" of reading some. The amount of "facts" and "truths" that these convey which are completely false and slanderous is astounding, but the problem is they're unquestionably believed as true. It's funny how these people will be completely distrustful of anything said by a politician, especially them damn "libruls," but they'll take these inflammatory emails as gospel. It takes a little bit of skill and knowledge to be able to use the net to find truth in politics and politicians, but you can be a complete idiot and still be able to read and forward email. It's a shame.

Guess what...these people want a king, not a president. Why do you think they give unquestionable loyalty to authority, without question. This country was founded on dissent, and the conservative movement have betrayed those ideals. They demand obedience to their agenda, or you're not patriotic enough.

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Originally posted by Krypton Guess what...these people want a king, not a president. Why do you think they give unquestionable loyalty to authority, without question. This country was founded on dissent, and the conservative movement have betrayed those ideals. They demand obedience to their agenda, or you're not patriotic enough.

The irony being that true patriotism in this country is all about standing against the grain.

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby The irony being that true patriotism in this country is all about standing against the grain.

says who? patriotism is merely the hijacking of somebody's emotions. its a mug's game. you can define patriotism any way you like. as soon as anyone mentions patriotism in their rhetoric you can be sure that they are attempting to turn off your brain and inspire your heart.

try and define what your country stands for and i can give you a million examples that dispute that definition.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN says who? patriotism is merely the hijacking of somebody's emotions. its a mug's game. you can define patriotism any way you like. as soon as anyone mentions patriotism in their rhetoric you can be sure that they are attempting to turn off your brain and inspire your heart. try and define what your country stands for and i can give you a million examples that dispute that definition.

I'll agree with this and retract my statement based on our language being crap.

Nothing wrong with inspiration, but it has to be genuine.

I still think you can be a "patriot" in a benign way. You can "love" your country and the ideals that it was founded upon while not becoming a sheep to its politics. Now, when you use "patriotism" the way Nazi Germany or some current US political movements do, in that not following an agenda makes you un-patriotic (which is one step above being a child-rapist, it seems) then you have a problem.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN really? i find it all rather depressing. how is the rest of the world meant to respect the US citizenry when the republican nomination shows such little respect for them in his VP choice?

Oh look, as an exercise in democracy it's fucking pathetic. Everything that's wrong with the American system is on display right now: the disproportionate leverage the electoral college gives to otherwise irrelevent states, the overwhelming influence of money on the campaign (even if - for once - it benefits the Democrats this time around), the preoccupation with the politics of personality, the incapacity of the campaigns to address issues of substance, the fixation on trivial issues mandated by the 24 hour news-cycle, the dangerous amount of executive power vested in the hands of a single human-being, the pandering to the worst, most visceral emotions in people - all this is a pretty sad indictment on the state of politics in a nation that was once (I am told) the beacon of democracy in this world.

But as a spectacle, as a piece of theatre, it's simply amazing.

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30%-50% of (voting) americans are about to show the world how fucking stupid they are. its just sad seriously, do you feel anything but (uneasy) nationalistic pride for howard/costello/turnbull when compared to this clusterfuck? fuck me, how embarrassing for the sole superpower.

Yeah, I never liked Howard or many of his policies, but I could at least recognise that his political philosophy was (to the extent permitted by political expediency) at least well thought-out and intellectually sincere. Compare that to people like Palin and Bush - the two most intellectually incurious people you will ever meet - and you have to question what is going through people's minds when they seriously consider them to be viable candidates for the most powerful executive office on the planet. I can understand (to an extent) the support for conservative politics, but I will never be able to understand the support for conservative politicians quite so obviously inept as Palin or Bush.

I know that the Australian public is hardly a bastion of enlightenment at times, but at least you can rest assured that here ridiculous figures like that are guaranteed to be political non-starters. Fortunately, incompetent politicians here don't tend to last very long. But that only makes the American phenomenon even more puzzling: as Sam Harris pointed out, when the American people are so intollerant of ineptitude in all other walks of life, why are they willing to support it so obdurately in their public officials?

My advice is to not worry about it this time round: for once, the smart guy's going to win. Until then, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

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