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The NO on Prop 8 thread....

I was actually trying to get a benefit together to support the "No on Prop 8" cause but came up with the idea too late and just didn't have the time to get it together by the date I needed to.
So how bout at least a thread Interested to see the opinions of this board. I'm sure you all have one and I would hope you're all pretty much on the same page. Believe it or not they do need a lot of help. Many religious groups are putting in a lot of time and money to get this prop passed. That angers me and I hope it angers you.
In case you don't know much about it or are interested in donating, the website is http://www.noonprop8.com
I feel this is really something to get behind here.

Vote "NO" so we can get married Jeremy. I need a little Russian in my diet.

One would think that we would interrupt this thread to encourage people to register to vote in this election, but no instead you are asking everybody to vote 40 year old dj's that don't allow any new talent to get ahead of them.

Re: The NO on Prop 8 thread....

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Originally posted by DJ Reese I was actually trying to get a benefit together to support the "No on Prop 8" cause but came up with the idea too late and just didn't have the time to get it together by the date I needed to. So how bout at least a thread Interested to see the opinions of this board. I'm sure you all have one and I would hope you're all pretty much on the same page. Believe it or not they do need a lot of help. Many religious groups are putting in a lot of time and money to get this prop passed. That angers me and I hope it angers you. In case you don't know much about it or are interested in donating, the website is http://www.noonprop8.com I feel this is really something to get behind here.

Maannnnnnnnnnn, I had a couple come to my door back in the beginning of Sept asking us to vote yes on 8. Man I was laughing on the inside. They have kids that go to my daughters school and they mentioned how they dont want their kids to be taught about gay marriages in school. I'm thinking wtf not?! Its part of our world now, stop living in a cave! I laugh at this whole thing cause its funny. Jeremy, you know the town we live in...this damn city is so anal and strict its sick. I think we need to shake this city up and post NO on 8 everywhere!!!!!!

thanks for this post!

me and my man have been together for almost nine years...and all this prop does is hurt me directly... gay marriage has nothing to do with the church or anyone else... i hope you all vote NO on 8 also

here is some more info on the prop:


Prop 8 eliminates marriage for same-sex couples.


VOTE NO!

Regardless of how you feel about this issue, we should always guarantee the same fundamental rights and equality for every Californian. Vote No on 8.


Let's remember that gay and lesbian people are our neighbors, our friends, our co-workers, and our family members. They are nurses, firefighters and small business owners. Like any of us, they love and make commitments for life, and just like other couples, they take care of each other, pay taxes, and want to protect and take responsibility for each other. We should not hurt same-sex couples in California by eliminating their right to marry. Vote No on 8.


It�s not the government�s place to tell couples who have been together for years whether or not to marry. In California, we let people decide what is best for themselves - without government interference. Eliminating fundamental rights for same-sex couples would treat them differently under the law - AND THAT'S WRONG. Vote No on 8.

Domestic partnerships are NOT the same as marriage. Domestic partnerships are only legal documents. The don't provide the same dignity, respect and legal protection as a marriage. In a marriage, a paramedic doesn't tell you that you cannot get into the ambulance with your spouse unless you have a paper or a lawyer. Married couples can automatically make life or death decisions for each other in these crisis situations, no questions asked. Vote No on 8.


Regardless of how you feel about this issue, it's unfair to eliminate a fundamental right of fellow Californians - and permanently hurt our friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members. THAT'S WRONG.


VOTE NO ON Prop 8!

�Proposition 8�would eliminate the fundamental right to same-sex marriage.


Supporters of Proposition 8 make two arguments. The first is that, for thousands of years, marriage has been defined as between a man and a woman exclusively. Considering how Californians historically have been wide open to change, this appeal is not likely to carry much force.


The second argument made by supporters is that children should be raised solely by a father and a mother, not by two fathers or two mothers. Yet the debate over child-rearing is entirely beside the point, because Proposition 8 is about marriage only. It would do nothing to prevent gay couples from adopting children or from having children through artificial means. Indeed, all Proposition 8 would do is ensure that the children of gay couples would be raised in households where the parents were unmarried.
Would that be a healthier situation for children?

In the past, this page has advocated civil unions for gay couples rather than marriage. But our thinking has changed, along with that of many other Californians. Gay and lesbian couples deserve the same dignity and respect in marriage that heterosexual couples have long enjoyed. We urge a No vote on Proposition 8.

-San Diego Union Tribune, September 18, 2008

Join the growing list of groups and individuals who urge you to VOTE NO:

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
Senator Barbara Boxer

League of Women Voters of California
Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF)
California Labor Federation (AFL-CIO)
California Teachers Association
SEIU California State Council
AFSCME California PEOPLE
Communications Workers of America District 9
California Federation of Teachers
Pride at Work
California Young Democrats
Courage Campaign
American Academy of Pediatrics, California
Planned Parenthood Action Fund
National Association of Social Workers, CA Chapter
American Medical Student Association
Latino Coalition for Justice - L.A.

California NOW
API Equality
Japanese American Citizens League
Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California
Feminist Majority Foundation
National Black Justice Coalition
California NAACP
California Democratic Party
United Farm Workers
Log Cabin Republicans I
Stonewall Democrats California
California Faith for Equality
California Church IMPACT I
American Civil liberties Union
National Council of Jewish Women
Progressive Jewish Alliance
The Southern California-Nevada Conference of the United Church of Christ
Unitarian Universalist legislative Ministry, California
Parents, Families and Friends of lesbians and Gays (PFLAG)
Equality California
Gay and Lesbian Alliance against Defamation (GLAAD)
Human Rights Campaign
Bienestar
San Diego Center Advocacy Project
Family Equality Council
Interfaith Clergy Coalition

Someone I know posted a thing on facebook with the obvious disdain for "what this world is coming to" in regards to this. I almost bitched her out right on there, but refrained. I almost called her a bad Christian for it.

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Originally posted by pnutttty thanks for this post! me and my man have been together for almost nine years...and all this prop does is hurt me directly... gay marriage has nothing to do with the church or anyone else... i hope you all vote NO on 8 also here is some more info on the prop: Prop 8 eliminates marriage for same-sex couples. VOTE NO! Regardless of how you feel about this issue, we should always guarantee the same fundamental rights and equality for every Californian. Vote No on 8. Let's remember that gay and lesbian people are our neighbors, our friends, our co-workers, and our family members. They are nurses, firefighters and small business owners. Like any of us, they love and make commitments for life, and just like other couples, they take care of each other, pay taxes, and want to protect and take responsibility for each other. We should not hurt same-sex couples in California by eliminating their right to marry. Vote No on 8. It�s not the government�s place to tell couples who have been together for years whether or not to marry. In California, we let people decide what is best for themselves - without government interference. Eliminating fundamental rights for same-sex couples would treat them differently under the law - AND THAT'S WRONG. Vote No on 8. Domestic partnerships are NOT the same as marriage. Domestic partnerships are only legal documents. The don't provide the same dignity, respect and legal protection as a marriage. In a marriage, a paramedic doesn't tell you that you cannot get into the ambulance with your spouse unless you have a paper or a lawyer. Married couples can automatically make life or death decisions for each other in these crisis situations, no questions asked. Vote No on 8. Regardless of how you feel about this issue, it's unfair to eliminate a fundamental right of fellow Californians - and permanently hurt our friends, neighbors, co-workers and family members. THAT'S WRONG. VOTE NO ON Prop 8! �Proposition 8�would eliminate the fundamental right to same-sex marriage. Supporters of Proposition 8 make two arguments. The first is that, for thousands of years, marriage has been defined as between a man and a woman exclusively. Considering how Californians historically have been wide open to change, this appeal is not likely to carry much force. The second argument made by supporters is that children should be raised solely by a father and a mother, not by two fathers or two mothers. Yet the debate over child-rearing is entirely beside the point, because Proposition 8 is about marriage only. It would do nothing to prevent gay couples from adopting children or from having children through artificial means. Indeed, all Proposition 8 would do is ensure that the children of gay couples would be raised in households where the parents were unmarried. Would that be a healthier situation for children? In the past, this page has advocated civil unions for gay couples rather than marriage. But our thinking has changed, along with that of many other Californians. Gay and lesbian couples deserve the same dignity and respect in marriage that heterosexual couples have long enjoyed. We urge a No vote on Proposition 8. -San Diego Union Tribune, September 18, 2008 Join the growing list of groups and individuals who urge you to VOTE NO: Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger Senator Barbara Boxer League of Women Voters of California Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF) California Labor Federation (AFL-CIO) California Teachers Association SEIU California State Council AFSCME California PEOPLE Communications Workers of America District 9 California Federation of Teachers Pride at Work California Young Democrats Courage Campaign American Academy of Pediatrics, California Planned Parenthood Action Fund National Association of Social Workers, CA Chapter American Medical Student Association Latino Coalition for Justice - L.A. California NOW API Equality Japanese American Citizens League Asian Pacific American Legal Center of Southern California Feminist Majority Foundation National Black Justice Coalition California NAACP California Democratic Party United Farm Workers Log Cabin Republicans I Stonewall Democrats California California Faith for Equality California Church IMPACT I American Civil liberties Union National Council of Jewish Women Progressive Jewish Alliance The Southern California-Nevada Conference of the United Church of Christ Unitarian Universalist legislative Ministry, California Parents, Families and Friends of lesbians and Gays (PFLAG) Equality California Gay and Lesbian Alliance against Defamation (GLAAD) Human Rights Campaign Bienestar San Diego Center Advocacy Project Family Equality Council Interfaith Clergy Coalition

You forgot Brangelina

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Originally posted by SillySilvia You forgot Brangelina

And a whole host of other organizations that prefer not to get involved in politics.

I would punch ******s in the face if they come to my door preaching the sanctity of marriage. 60+% of all marriages end up in divorce. Marriage is a business proposition nowadays in any case.

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Originally posted by JCIZZLE! I would punch ******s in the face if they come to my door preaching the sanctity of marriage. 60+% of all marriages end up in divorce. Marriage is a business proposition nowadays in any case.

Not only that, it is hard as fuck to get divorced, but they make it easy as fuck to get into the shit position of bad marriages. If that isn't ass backwards, I don't know what is.

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Originally posted by JCIZZLE! 60+% of all marriages end up in divorce.

Yeah! Why should gay people be left out of that statistic? Totally unfair imo

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Originally posted by bas Yeah! Why should gay people be left out of that statistic? Totally unfair imo

hahhaha thanks, bas.

i seriously doubt this prop will even come close to passing.

the other side (yes on 8) has raised over 25 million - most of their funding comes from out of state mormons. (wtf!) (my original comment has been edited, as polygmy is practiced by lds offshoots, or ie ex-mormons)

The No on 8 side has only raised 16 million.

and current polls are showing a slight lead for the yes folks because the are able to air more tv commercials...

so its gonna be close. its hard and costly to fight the church. ugh!

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Originally posted by pnutttty the other side (yes on 8) has raised over 25 million - most of their funding comes from out of state mormans. (wtf! i guess they want to somehow protect the sanctity of having 9 wives!)

a morman that had more then one wife would be ex communicated from the church.

ironic that in a thread against discrimination we still have people talking stereotypes about a certain group of people that are different from them lol

My neighbor just put out a couple signs for yes on prop 8.

take them off!

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Originally posted by R!CH i seriously doubt this prop will even come close to passing.

Unfortunantly I'm not so sure. My girlfriend is volunteering for the for a group out of WeHo to fight this which is part of why I'm getting more active in this...and like it says in the posts above, Mormon groups are putting a lot of money and time into fighting this. Groups that don't even live in our state. It's worth every little bit of effort to help because the "No on Prop 8" organizations are being out funded. Hopefully that won't matter.

some guy knocked at my door this morning and gave me the yes on prop 8 flier. i ripped it in half and threw it away.

same here! I told them I like the big 10 inch cock. I do that to all the cute white boys with their suits that come and try to sell me on the idea that I need God in my life. I straight ask em to come in and take off their clothes, the reaction is precious.

You should see what I do to right wing christian republican loons, well I never get to it cuz they quickly notice am not white and ran for the hills.

This is nasty.. IMO.. but whatever..

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Originally posted by DJ Reese Unfortunantly I'm not so sure. My girlfriend is volunteering for the for a group out of WeHo to fight this which is part of why I'm getting more active in this...and like it says in the posts above, Mormon groups are putting a lot of money and time into fighting this. Groups that don't even live in our state. It's worth every little bit of effort to help because the "No on Prop 8" organizations are being out funded. Hopefully that won't matter.

funding can change public opinion on a candidate more easily than it can about an issue of fundamental belief. no matter how many attack ads they put on tv, most people will maintain their views on marriage. another factor is the disparity between polling results and ballot results. when polled, a lot more people on the fence might say they're against gay marriage, but when it comes down to casting a vote to ban rights/discriminate against other people, i think far fewer californians are willing to take a step in that direction.

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Originally posted by zerotonin79 ironic that in a thread against discrimination we still have people talking stereotypes about a certain group of people that are different from them lol

haha yeah. I am not Mormon, but I always correct people on this.

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Originally posted by system-7 This is nasty.. IMO.. but whatever..

and since you say "whatever" this means you will vote no on prop 8 because you wouldn't want me to force you to be Muslim if you are a Christian.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and play the devil's advocate.
First things first, I don't care about this Prop and will not be voting on it either way. Yeah, society has treated the LGBT culture unfairly and for too long, but I will argue that Prop 8 is not a 14th Amendment issue. Also, a good friend of mine who is in his forties and has been gay all his life, will also not be voting on the Prop 8. He made a good point to me on this issue, one that I would like to highlight with a quote from another TA:

"I straight ask em to come in and take off their clothes, the reaction is precious...You should see what I do to right wing christian republican loons, well I never get to it cuz they quickly notice am not white and ran for the hills."

I thought that RDP unions are treated the same as a marraige, in regard to financial records, insurance beneficiaries, etc. All the rights afforded to a married couple are afforded to a RDP couple, right? If not, please explicate the exact differences and what would change if Prop 8 was passed.

He stated that there is no need for marriage to be redefined nor altered, for this prop is just a way "The Family" is sticking it to "The Man". As the poster put it, there is a sense of pleasure that I have noticed that permeates the LGBT culture when the right wing gets mad at any changes (which are sometimes needed and at times very beneficial to everyone) to the status quo. So what is the root of the message that a NO on Prop 8 is sending to everyone? If RDPs are legally recognized as a bonafide union, guaranteeing both partners all the rights afforded to a married couple, then why change the definition? It this only a matter of linguistics?

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