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Need some help on DIY treatment

OK the infamous question??? I want to get this room treated on a budget, diy panels. I've been doing a lot of reading all over forums, sites, ect... I need advice on how to got about this in the least expensive manner. I will just be producing and mixing tracks down. No live recordings for now, all is computer based..The sketch shows the listening in the wrong place....I know it should at the the 38% rule.....Advise is greatly appreciated.

One thought i had was 2x8ft-4inch bass traps in all corners, 2 - 2x8 2 inch panels on each side of listening position, 2 - 2x4 2inch panels on rear wall center. Is this all really necessary though???

There's some nice info posted by Goldenscan on this thread : http://www.audiopioneers.net/forum/showthread.php?t=310

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Originally posted by S1Spawn Is this all really necessary though???

It depends man. What kind of monitors do you have? What other objects are in the room?

Getting the low end under control is the most important part. For a home studio, you probably wouldn't bother to do more than this, unless there are big problems. If you don't have much stuff in the room, you'd be wise to put a cheap couch or bookcase behind you for a bit of absorbtion/diflection.

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Originally posted by echosystm It depends man. What kind of monitors do you have? What other objects are in the room? Getting the low end under control is the most important part. For a home studio, you probably wouldn't bother to do more than this, unless there are big problems. If you don't have much stuff in the room, you'd be wise to put a cheap couch or bookcase behind you for a bit of absorbtion/diflection.

I have a pair of m audio bx5a, not much in the room. I just have the workstation. Thanx for the tips....

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Originally posted by S1Spawn OK the infamous question??? I want to get this room treated on a budget, diy panels. I've been doing a lot of reading all over forums, sites, ect... I need advice on how to got about this in the least expensive manner. I will just be producing and mixing tracks down. No live recordings for now, all is computer based..The sketch shows the listening in the wrong place....I know it should at the the 38% rule.....Advise is greatly appreciated. One thought i had was 2x8ft-4inch bass traps in all corners, 2 - 2x8 2 inch panels on each side of listening position, 2 - 2x4 2inch panels on rear wall center. Is this all really necessary though???

Go with 4" inch thickness for the side/rear panels. And double the amount of panels.
Make sure the density of the insulation is high. Standard fluffy insulation is useless.
DIY panels are a cheap and effective way of improving the acoustics of a room.

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Originally posted by S1Spawn I have a pair of m audio bx5a, not much in the room. I just have the workstation. Thanx for the tips....

I would spend the money on a better pair of monitors first.

What do you think about Yamaha HS80M? There are affordable for me right now. I,m on a tight budget.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Go with 4" inch thickness for the side/rear panels. And double the amount of panels. Make sure the density of the insulation is high. Standard fluffy insulation is useless. DIY panels are a cheap and effective way of improving the acoustics of a room.

So go with 4 inch all the way and add 2 more panels at rear. Cool thanx for the advice.

I plan to just cover all the walls with carpet.

If you can, consider a better room. Too many 'holes' as they say and will not give you good sound isolation. But if you are monitoring at low volume you will be okay.

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Originally posted by Knowland If you can, consider a better room. Too many 'holes' as they say and will not give you good sound isolation. But if you are monitoring at low volume you will be okay.

Sound isolation isn't relevant to this thread. We're talking about acoustic treatment.
No amount of treatment will help with isolation anyways.

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Originally posted by S1Spawn So go with 4 inch all the way and add 2 more panels at rear. Cool thanx for the advice.

Try to put some more on the sides too.

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Originally posted by Magnus I plan to just cover all the walls with carpet.

don't do this. that's just stupid man.

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Originally posted by echosystm don't do this. that's just stupid man.

Agreed. Why waste all that money on carpet when you can just use a lowpass filter?

No, but seriously. For the same reason why it's not recommended to have carpeted floors in a studio is because it will make the room dull.
Carpet only absorbs the very high frequencies.

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Originally posted by Eldritch Agreed. Why waste all that money on carpet when you can just use a lowpass filter? No, but seriously. For the same reason why it's not recommended to have carpeted floors in a studio is because it will make the room dull. Carpet only absorbs the very high frequencies.

So you reccomend putting hardwood floors on the wall?

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Originally posted by Eldritch For the same reason why it's not recommended to have carpeted floors in a studio is because it will make the room dull.

I don't know where you got this from. Alot of acoustics guys actually advise having either the roof or the floor dead - carpet on the floor or floating panels.

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Originally posted by S1Spawn What do you think about Yamaha HS80M? There are affordable for me right now. I,m on a tight budget.

They're good monitors, but don't buy them if your desk is infront of a window - they're rear ported.

I think it's better/safer to just get front ported monitors, in a home studio.

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Originally posted by echosystm I don't know where you got this from. Alot of acoustics guys actually advise having either the roof or the floor dead - carpet on the floor or floating panels.

You cannot get a floor to be "dead" if you still want to be able to walk on it (Maybe if you turn the floor into helmholtz slat resonator, but that's not very realistic is it?). A carpeted floor will only absorb high frequencies, leaving the rest of the frequency spectrum untouched.

That's not a problem as long as it sounds natural. That's the key I guess. A room has to have a somewhat dampened sound but has to remain natural at the same time for optimal results.

Poor man's soundproofing:

Get a lot of these egg boxes and cover all your wall with'em.

Not 100% efficient but it works (and at no cost!)

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Originally posted by ponsshin Not 100% efficient but it works (and at no cost!)

No, it doesn't.

Egg boxes won't stop shit, they don't have enough mass. All you're doing is turning your room into a massive fire hazard.

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Originally posted by echosystm They're good monitors, but don't buy them if your desk is infront of a window - they're rear ported. I think it's better/safer to just get front ported monitors, in a home studio.

I think i'm gonna go with the KRK VXT6. The freq. response looks good and front ported. There pricey but heard a lot of good things. VXT8 are even better but out of my budget range...

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Originally posted by Eldritch Agreed. Why waste all that money on carpet when you can just use a lowpass filter? No, but seriously. For the same reason why it's not recommended to have carpeted floors in a studio is because it will make the room dull. Carpet only absorbs the very high frequencies.

Really? I figured carpet would be cheaper than getting all those foam and bass traps and whatnot.

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Originally posted by Magnus Really? I figured carpet would be cheaper than getting all those foam and bass traps and whatnot.

Cheaper? Yes. Effective? No.
The most cost effective way is to build your own broadband absorbers. They're very effective if made with the right materials.
Here are some good guides.
http://www.johnlsayers.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10304

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Originally posted by S1Spawn I think i'm gonna go with the KRK VXT6. The freq. response looks good and front ported. There pricey but heard a lot of good things. VXT8 are even better but out of my budget range...

I think ADAM A7 or Event ASP6 would be better alternatives.

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