How do you get around Ableton's 128 parameter limit?

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Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-12-2008 14:17:

How do you get around Ableton's 128 parameter limit?

Hey guys

I tend to use Sylenth1 a lot these days and although I love the synth I am, unfortunately, unable to automate all of its parameters because they exceed the 128 limit allowed by Live. At the present time I am working on a new electro tune: I am using an LFO to slightly mess around with the pitch of a sound and I'd like to automate both the LFO rate and the pitch (so that as the LFO cycles more and more quickly the pitch increases correspondingly). However, the pitch (called (if I remember correctly) LFO destination 1) falls outside of the first 128 parameters and, so, I am not sure how to automate it. The only thing I can think of would be to automate the rate and increase the pitch manually and record that process into a wave--not very practical, nor would it be precise.

Any help here? Is there any way to increase the number of parameters beyond 128? Maybe some add-on program(s) that can do the job?

Thank you kindly!

Posted by Fledz on Oct-12-2008 14:25:

You go to the forum and post in the thread with the other 400 million users who will storm down the Abes HQ and rape them if they don't fix this...

I think some people use some sort of wrapper. I remember reading about it on the Ableton forums or something to that effect. I would find it for you but it's 1:30am and I'm about to pass out.

Posted by Lolo on Oct-12-2008 17:08:

128 parameters, but also 16 midi channels per track. Could the use of several midi channels be the solution for you?

Posted by evo8 on Oct-12-2008 18:28:

if you have a midi controller just map a couple of knobs to the desired params in Sylenth, then record as you go! (into the clip)

ive been doing this a lot more recently and have been enjoying the process a lot more than going back and doing tedious automation on every track

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-13-2008 01:36:

quote:
Originally posted by evo8
if you have a midi controller just map a couple of knobs to the desired params in Sylenth, then record as you go! (into the clip)

ive been doing this a lot more recently and have been enjoying the process a lot more than going back and doing tedious automation on every track

That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. I have to figure out how to properly map parameters to my controller (Remote SL) though. I've followed the instructions in the Novation manual in the past but for whatever reason I've never been able to get it right. I'll figure it out

Posted by farris on Oct-13-2008 02:15:

Just use Ableton's own midi mapping function. Only takes a couple of clicks. I have a Remote SL too, but haven't bothered with Automap, as I like to just map my own knobs and sliders.

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-13-2008 12:43:

quote:
Originally posted by farris
Just use Ableton's own midi mapping function. Only takes a couple of clicks. I have a Remote SL too, but haven't bothered with Automap, as I like to just map my own knobs and sliders.

I haven't tried Live's midi mapping yet so this may be a silly Q, but since I want to map the parameters of a VST not the sequencer (i.e., Live), won't I be unable to map the VST's parameters through Live?

Posted by Vortex_SA on Oct-13-2008 13:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Nick Cenik
I haven't tried Live's midi mapping yet so this may be a silly Q, but since I want to map the parameters of a VST not the sequencer (i.e., Live), won't I be unable to map the VST's parameters through Live?

just activate midi mapping, move the knob you want a bit from the vst via your mouse (to let live know what you want) and then move the knob on your midi keyboard, dont forget to turn off the midi mapping after that tho ... thats it i think...

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-13-2008 13:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Vortex_SA
just activate midi mapping, move the knob you want a bit from the vst via your mouse (to let live know what you want) and then move the knob on your midi keyboard, dont forget to turn off the midi mapping after that tho ... thats it i think...

Thanks for the suggestion

I tried it and, unfortunately, it did not work.

Posted by farris on Oct-13-2008 14:49:

Fortunately I already made some screenies for this same thing a while ago. Let me know if this helps you out (clickable):

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-13-2008 14:51:

Thanks man. Looking forward to checking that out!

Posted by G-Con on Oct-13-2008 15:00:

try using instrument racks and use the macros?

Posted by Nicolas Oliver on Oct-13-2008 15:14:

quote:
Originally posted by G-Con
try using instrument racks and use the macros?

I apologize for sounding like a total newb but I know not what macros are/do.