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Delay -> Reverb

Hi all,

I generally setup my Delays and Reverbs on AUX channels and use SENDS to add those effects to my synths.
Something I realized with this configuration is that the effects are running in parallel and not in series, which means that the dry signal is fed into a reverb and delay separately, instead of, let's say, first going into a delay and then into a reverb, which would be the case if these effects were setup in series.
I seem to like the effect more when the delayed signal is fed into a reverb, so I'm trying to find the best way to accomplish this.
Do you think it would be generally better to use a delay as an insert for any specific synth and then send that channel's signal to a reverb on the AUX channel, OR, would it be better to use SENDS of the AUX channel containing a delay unit to feed the delayed signal into a secondary AUX channel containing a reverb effect?

Suggestions and thoughts are welcome!

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Originally posted by DJREMIDI Hi all, I generally setup my Delays and Reverbs on AUX channels and use SENDS to add those effects to my synths. Something I realized with this configuration is that the effects are running in parallel and not in series, which means that the dry signal is fed into a reverb and delay separately, instead of, let's say, first going into a delay and then into a reverb, which would be the case if these effects were setup in series. I seem to like the effect more when the delayed signal is fed into a reverb, so I'm trying to find the best way to accomplish this. Do you think it would be generally better to use a delay as an insert for any specific synth and then send that channel's signal to a reverb on the AUX channel, OR, would it be better to use SENDS of the AUX channel containing a delay unit to feed the delayed signal into a secondary AUX channel containing a reverb effect? Suggestions and thoughts are welcome!

i very rarely use any external delay and reverb and primarily use the inbuilt ones that come with the synths.
For thing like percs and FX's ,so yes external ones i use ,but not for synths

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Originally posted by DJREMIDI Hi all, I generally setup my Delays and Reverbs on AUX channels and use SENDS to add those effects to my synths. Something I realized with this configuration is that the effects are running in parallel and not in series, which means that the dry signal is fed into a reverb and delay separately, instead of, let's say, first going into a delay and then into a reverb, which would be the case if these effects were setup in series. I seem to like the effect more when the delayed signal is fed into a reverb, so I'm trying to find the best way to accomplish this. Do you think it would be generally better to use a delay as an insert for any specific synth and then send that channel's signal to a reverb on the AUX channel, OR, would it be better to use SENDS of the AUX channel containing a delay unit to feed the delayed signal into a secondary AUX channel containing a reverb effect? Suggestions and thoughts are welcome!

Put the delay and reverb on the same aux channels and use the one send knob. So place the reverb after the delay on the same aux channel.

Though personally, I always use delays as inserts and just reverbs on the sends.

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Somewhere inbetween here.

Standard long reverbs are always on aux 1, and I never ever use more than 2 or 3 reverbs in the same arrangement. It's not a rule, it's a general notice that using more reverbs doesn't sound good, while you can use as many delays as you want, probably.

There's a delay on aux 2, some standard one that suits the tempo, but also the groove (I never use 1/8dotted delays when there's a swing). Then I add delays on some specific tracks, such as tape delays when controllers and automation are involved. Also, effect delays such as
lfoe'd tape delays are always being put as inserts.

Sending your main delay on aux 2 to the reverb by using your aux's sends might be a good idea, but use this gently and DO NOT send the same signal to reverb and delay then, as it would get sent twice into the reverb which means phasing/stereo trouble.

i think the better way would be to send a copy of the dry signal via an aux to the delay fx. Then for the reverb fx, send a copy of the delayed signal via a send to the reverb

Just use individual delays on each instrument. Reverbs are what take the CPU.
It is harder to manage overall, but I agree with you that it sounds better...

Thanks for your replies everyone!

It seems like using delays on inserts for individual channels would be the way to go, unless I have a need for a more precise control over the delayed signal, such as EQing and volume automation.

What I'm concerned about is having a compressor on the channel that also has a delay. If the delay is positioned after the compressor, will it effectively undo what the compressor is attempting to accomplish? Or with this configuration, as long as the delay's wet/dry ratio is under 50%, it will be the same as using sends to route a portion of the signal to an AUX with a delay plug-in?

Thanks again!

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Originally posted by Lolo Sending your main delay on aux 2 to the reverb by using your aux's sends might be a good idea, but use this gently and DO NOT send the same signal to reverb and delay then, as it would get sent twice into the reverb which means phasing/stereo trouble.

Can I get some clarification on this statement? Are you saying to not bus a single track to both the reverb and delay? or not to send a singlan via aux to a reverb and then from the reverb bus auxed to the delay?

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Originally posted by G-Con Put the delay and reverb on the same aux channels and use the one send knob. So place the reverb after the delay on the same aux channel.

Thats Exactly what I do most of the time, and it works like a charm. If you want to have more control over the amount, you can use a bus FX channel and send all elements that need to use the particular reverb or delay.

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Originally posted by G-Con Put the delay and reverb on the same aux channels and use the one send knob. So place the reverb after the delay on the same aux channel. Though personally, I always use delays as inserts and just reverbs on the sends.

Then the reverb is only effecting the delay lines not the original signal... er, I think? All these solutions are poor IMO. They all either result in the reverb only being on the delay or in the two effects running in parralel.

DJREMIDI, do you know what a compressor does? Then answer your own question.

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Originally posted by kitphillips Then the reverb is only effecting the delay lines not the original signal... er, I think? All these solutions are poor IMO. They all

Assuming that the delay on the sends was set to 100% wet then yes you're probably right which is why I said I personally use delays as inserts and just the reverb on the sends.

Reason I suggested putting both on the same sends channel is because that was what the original poster seemed to be asking how to do.

I guess we all have our own setups with sends and inserts.

If it sounds good, it sounds good (gosh, never heard that saying before )

with time based fx, like reverb and delay, i believe they are meant to have the dry and wet signal mixed, however you can do whatever you think sounds good. if you want you can also send whatever track to the aux send delay and then send that to another aux send reverb. the delay wouldn't undo what the compressor is doing if you put them in series. it really just depends on what you are looking for and whatever sounds good is right

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