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Al-Qaeda Endorses

The lucky winner? John McCain.

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Al-Qaida supporters suggested in a Web site message this week they would welcome a pre-election terror attack on the U.S. as a way to usher in a McCain presidency. The message, posted Monday on the password-protected al-Hesbah Web site, said if al-Qaida wants to exhaust the United States militarily and economically, "impetuous" Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain is the better choice because he is more likely to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. "This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier," the message said. "Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush."

http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/...endorsesmccain/

Hmm... should be interesting to see how the McCain camp spins this one... but the use of the word "impetuous" was a good one I thought.

Just more bullshit. Watch 'The Power of Nightmares', if you'd like to know the truth. Or at least understand the situation further.

It's just fear-mongering and psychological mindfucking.

Oooooooooooh! "Password protected" website eh!? That sounds reeeeeeal top secret stuff!

Oh wait, I guess that would make it a tinternet message forum exactly like this one in which we all have to enter a password in order to post!

So, internet flame warrior wannabe Jihadis acting hard behind their computer screens in their safe and affluent neighbourhoods probably somewhere in London have a discussion on how the policies of the two candidates would affect the aims of their fantasy heroes in al-Qaida, and all of a sudden all the reports are saying "al-Qaida endorses McCain"! It's amazing the lengths some journos will go to in their desperation for a story, just any story!

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Just more bullshit. Watch 'The Power of Nightmares', if you'd like to know the truth. Or at least understand the situation further. It's just fear-mongering and psychological mindfucking.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...2&forumid=66&s=

lol:

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McCain Campaign Attacks Washington Post, Insinuates Terrorists Want Obama Victory By Greg Sargent and Eric Kleefeld - October 22, 2008, 12:22PM The McCain campaign is now charging that the terrorists want Obama to win, while pretending they're not really saying that. The McCain campaign just held a curious conference call with reporters in which McCain advisers made the insinuation. It's a claim that's at odds with folks who know what they're talking about, such as journalist Ron Suskind and counter-terror big Richard Clarke, who have both written that Al Qaeda actually prefers pro-war GOP rule. The McCain camp also unleashed yet another clumsy attack on the media, hitting The Washington Post for failing to report a recent quote from a Hamas official who praised Obama-Biden. On the call, McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann seized on an article in today's WaPo reporting that some members of al Qaeda are pulling for McCain to win. "If we're gonna talk about who has got support from terrorist groups in this election, I'm gonna read some quotes," Scheunemann said. "I'm not going to characterize them. I will let others judge whether they amount to expressions of support or opposition." Scheunemann proceeded to read a recent quote from a Hamas adviser, in which he said that Palestinians would do better under an Obama administration's foreign policy. He then chastised the WaPo for not reporting that quote. "The Washington Post did not find the time to write a story about that," Scheunemann said. "Not a single story." When discussing this topic, it's always useful to recall that journalist Ron Suskind reported that CIA analysts concluded that Bin Laden had released a tape of himself on the eve of the 2004 election in order to help Bush stay in power, partly because his presidency made such a handy recruiting tool. And Clarke, for his part, recently surmised that Al Qaeda might try to swing the election to McCain, perhaps with a terror attack. One especially fun moment on the call came when McCain adviser Jim Woolsey badly undercut the campaign call's message. Woolsey said that Al Qaeda supporters who praise McCain are actually doing it to hurt him, because praise from Al Qaeda is the "kiss of death." At that point, a reporter quite naturally asked whether the same could be said of Hamas advisers who praise Obama, prompting Woolsey to pull a homina homina homina and dodge the question.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpo...n_call_post.php

lol this news really made me laugh alot today. I wonder what Palin has to say about this?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov lol: http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpo...n_call_post.php

to me it doesn't make sense why terrorists would want a republican administration given the avowed justification for islamic terrorism against the US/west. if the avowed purpose of terrorism against the US is support for israel and the occupation of muslim lands, how would electing a republican further that goal. it appears the purpose has shifted to simply wanting to fight americans. that's the only way that makes any sense to me.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 to me it doesn't make sense why terrorists would want a republican administration given the avowed justification for islamic terrorism against the US/west. if the avowed purpose of terrorism against the US is support for israel and the occupation of muslim lands, how would electing a republican further that goal. it appears the purpose has shifted to simply wanting to fight americans. that's the only way that makes any sense to me.

Do you just overlook what you believe will upset your reality??

Al Qaeda is a farce. I'm not trying to be rude, but come on! The term wasn't even used by bin Laden until the government gave it to him.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Do you just overlook what you believe will upset your reality??

i certainly don't create a reality for myself.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 i certainly don't create a reality for myself.

Fair enough. I really ought to try and be more patient with people. It's a shortcoming of mine, and I'm working on it.

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Unless, of course, you're insinuating I create my own reality and dwell within it....which we all do.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} Fair enough. I really ought to try and be more patient with people. It's a shortcoming of mine, and I'm working on it.

What!? Pull yourself together man! The internet was invented so people could let off steam and lay into people!

I like to use the internet the same as when I get drunk and go to a football match and scream and shout C*UNT YOU FU*KING C*NT REF DIE at the referee, it's just a form of stress release...

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 to me it doesn't make sense why terrorists would want a republican administration given the avowed justification for islamic terrorism against the US/west. if the avowed purpose of terrorism against the US is support for israel and the occupation of muslim lands, how would electing a republican further that goal. it appears the purpose has shifted to simply wanting to fight americans. that's the only way that makes any sense to me.

Well, it's the idea that Bush has weakened the United States at home and abroad - so radicals are in support of continued weakening.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well, it's the idea that Bush has weakened the United States at home and abroad - so radicals are in support of continued weakening.

that makes sense too. thanks leb!

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well, it's the idea that Bush has weakened the United States at home and abroad - so radicals are in support of continued weakening.

No, sure as shit, the radicals want America the fuck out of occupied territory. Al Qaeda didn't endorse McCain, because Al Qaeda doesn't exist.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} No, sure as shit, the radicals want America the fuck out of occupied territory.

Well that would sure hurt the annual recruitment drive. Don't think for a second that those groups aren't self-serving.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Well that would sure hurt the annual recruitment drive. Don't think for a second that those groups aren't self-serving.

What groups? Aside from the locals that are fighting the occupiers on principle, the rest of the 'terrorists' are coming from all over the Middle East to have a stab at Uncle Sam's invasive ass. Iran, Syria, Libya.. all of them pour down into Iraq; students, brothers, sons, because of a bullshit foreign policy that has COMPLETELY DESTROYED A COUNTRY. How many civillians killed? How many children? You'd best believe if there was an invasive force killing innocent civilians in British Columbia I would catch a train, bus, hijack (lol), or hitch-hike out there and have my go at the cocksuckers who think they can waltz into a country and start killing people in the name of democracy.

What a joke.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} What groups? Aside from the locals that are fighting the occupiers on principle, the rest of the 'terrorists' are coming from all over the Middle East to have a stab at Uncle Sam's invasive ass. Iran, Syria, Libya.. all of them pour down into Iraq; students, brothers, sons, because of a bullshit foreign policy that has COMPLETELY DESTROYED A COUNTRY. How many civillians killed? How many children? You'd best believe if there was an invasive force killing innocent civilians in British Columbia I would catch a train, bus, hijack (lol), or hitch-hike our there and have my go at the cocksuckers who think they can waltz into a country and start killing people in the name of democracy. What a joke.

I'm not sure what you're ranting about - I've never been in support of the war in Iraq.

But if you don't think radicals wanted to provoke the US into exactly this sort of thing, I find it ironic that you see the West capable of stirring trouble for political gain but not radical Islam.

Who's benefited from Iraq? Networks of radical Islam - recruitment is up, America's reputation abroad has never been lower, and the Middle East is united in a way it never has been (for obvious reasons, as your post points out). America's invasion of Iraq has only strengthened radical fundamentalists within the Islamic world.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov I'm not sure what you're ranting about - I've never been in support of the war in Iraq. But if you don't think radicals wanted to provoke the US into exactly this sort of thing, I find it ironic that you see the West capable of stirring trouble for political gain but not radical Islam. Who's benefited from Iraq? Networks of radical Islam - recruitment is up, America's reputation abroad has never been lower, and the Middle East is united in a way it never has been (for obvious reasons, as your post points out). America's invasion of Iraq has only strengthened radical fundamentalists within the Islamic world.

That's well and fine, I agree with you. Both sides at the helm of the political direction I'm sure enjoy the fruits of war. However, the radical group "Al Qaeda" is an apple off the CIA's tree, and is used as a fear propagating war tool. Anyone can use the term Al Qaeda, it's a joke term. From what I understand it actually means 'toilet' or 'to sit' in Arabic.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} That's well and fine, I agree with you. Both sides at the helm of the political direction I'm sure enjoy the fruits of war. However, the radical group "Al Qaeda" is an apple off the CIA's tree, and is used as a fear propagating war tool. Anyone can use the term Al Qaeda, it's a joke term. From what I understand it actually means 'toilet' or 'to sit' in Arabic.

Oh, it exists. Whatever its origin, it exists in the same sense as Benedict Anderson's 'Imagined Communities' - namely, it's a flag under which radicals position themselves to gain credibility in the Muslim world. There's more than enough evidence to suggest that there is no organization structure, but the power of symbology is what drives the network.

For instance, in the Sahel, most nationalist Islamic groups operating against governments in Algeria, Niger, and Mali have banded together under the heading of "Al Qaeda in the Sahel" - even though none of these groups have any relationship with anybody associated with Osama or any other members of what we commonly consider al Qaeda to be. But want to guess at what happened to their recruitment and funding when they changed the name? Went way up.

So al Qaeda exists, but not so much as a physical organization as an idea and a transnational networking platform within the radical Muslim world.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov So al Qaeda exists, but not so much as a physical organization as an idea and a transnational networking platform within the radical Muslim world.

An idea which the United States created and perpetuated. It is their own creation, and given to the world to use. Such nice people.

I'm not arguing that the term isn't used or donned, but because of its essence and nature being that of a ghost, the endorsement likely was not an actual official of the 'terrorist' network of Al CIAda, and more than likely a doublethink move by the Illuminati.

Or, if you don't like that idea, it was some punk kid who logged onto a message board. lol

More than anything, it shouldn't have even been reported as news! What the fuck is wrong with the media?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} An idea which the United States created and perpetuated. It is their own creation, and given to the world to use. Such nice people.

Nobody with any understanding of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan would dispute that.

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I'm not arguing that the term isn't used or donned, but because of its essence and nature being that of a ghost, the endorsement likely was not an actual official of the 'terrorist' network of Al CIAda, and more than likely a doublethink move by the Illuminati.

Here's where you use your credibility. Illuminati? Give me a break.

The 'endorsement' came from a member of the network - there isn't an official organization or anything like that, but it represents a thought process among radical members of fundamentalist society.

Why is everything a global conspiracy to you? The group you choose to blame for every event in the world varies, and the lack of evidence you provide for any assertion makes you seem whimsical at best, naive at worst.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Nobody with any understanding of the Russian invasion of Afghanistan would dispute that. Here's where you use your credibility. Illuminati? Give me a break. The 'endorsement' came from a member of the network - there isn't an official organization or anything like that, but it represents a thought process among radical members of fundamentalist society. Why is everything a global conspiracy to you? The group you choose to blame for every event in the world varies, and the lack of evidence you provide for any assertion makes you seem whimsical at best, naive at worst.

What do you mean, give you a break? I will, if you'd like me to stop speaking to you. If you haven't by now figured out that 9-11 was an inside job, and the rest of what occurred after the attack was predetermined and part and parcel of the false flag attack, then I might as well. There are a few things that you need to realise, before you can start thinking about the Illuminati, because they do exist.

I don't expect you to believe me, either. I won't debate this: it's not worth my time or energy, sorry.. It is my opinion from the reading and research that I have done that it would be ignorant and naive to assert that this group does not exist.

"Everything is in place - after 500 years - to build a true 'new world' in the Western Hemisphere."
David Rockefeller

They have been working on a New World Order for a long time, man.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} I don't expect you to believe me, either. I won't debate this: it's not worth my time or energy, sorry.. It is my opinion from the reading and research that I have done that it would be ignorant and naive to assert that this group does not exist. "Everything is in place - after 500 years - to build a true 'new world' in the Western Hemisphere." David Rockefeller They have been working on a New World Order for a long time, man.

A "new world" is not synonymous with one world government and a cherry-picked quote is not the same as tangible evidence. Have you no standard in this reading and research?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} If you haven't by now figured out that 9-11 was an inside job,

For God's sakes man, I'm begging you to bring something to bear to prove these sweeping statements you make. There are tremendous leaps in your logic, and I think the least we can expect from you are a few credible supports to attach your argumentation to.

Stop using isolated quotes selected without context, and stop posting videos without citations. If you bring evidence that is properly researched, you will convince people you are right.

Thusfar, your evidence has largely been supposition, rhetorical questions, and "if a, then c" argumentation.

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