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The blogosphere is buzzing about this video posted on YouTube Sunday night. It�s Barack Obama musing about how best to redistribute wealth in America in a Chicago Public Radio interview in 2001. Not whether, but how: Through the courts or through legislation? A caller asks The One to explain how he would do �reparative economic work.� Obama gives the legislative route two thumbs up as his preferred method of �breaking free of the constraints� placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution and then burbles about cobbling together the �actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change.�

though i'd share...

video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

http://www.drudgereport.com/
http://michellemalkin.com/

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Originally posted by LittleGoku though i'd share... video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck http://michellemalkin.com/

Thank you!!! I've actually been taking screenshots of everything on a few different messageboards as well as downloading things like this in case the internet gets shut down. lol

I have a few hard drives that I've passed around for people to copy in case martial law is enacted or in the event that the people come out on top of the fascists and are looking to prosecute them either as war criminals or as accessories to the capitol crimes of 9/11.

Anyone who says Obama is going to redistribute wealth is doing nothing but exaggerating essentially nothing. Wow, so a person making $300,000 a year is going to pay an extra $1000 in taxes....ooo0o0o0o0o0o...scarrrrry...

Gee, they'll be begging on the streets after that huh?

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Originally posted by Krypton Anyone who says Obama is going to redistribute wealth is doing nothing but exaggerating essentially nothing. Wow, so a person making $300,000 a year is going to pay an extra $1000 in taxes....ooo0o0o0o0o0o...scarrrrry... Gee, they'll be begging on the streets after that huh?

What makes you so sure that he's not going to do like practically every other President has done and change his tune once he gets in office?

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Originally posted by Trancer-X What makes you so sure that he's not going to do like practically every other President has done and change his tune once he gets in office?

What reason do you have to say he completely ignore his campaign promises, especially the tax issues (which is a central theme of his campaign)? It's in his best interest to fulfill his promise because if he doesn't, it'll be political suicide.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X I've actually been taking screenshots of everything on a few different messageboards as well as downloading things like this in case the internet gets shut down. lol I have a few hard drives that I've passed around for people to copy in case martial law is enacted

You're taking the piss now, aren't you?

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Originally posted by Krypton What reason do you have to say he completely ignore his campaign promises, especially the tax issues (which is a central theme of his campaign)? It's in his best interest to fulfill his promise because if he doesn't, it'll be political suicide.

If he can lie about his friendship with radicals, im pretty sure he can lie about policies also

PS: anyways this is not a concern to Obama beacuse 1. The media dosent even bother to investigate and 2. He has supporters like you that believe everything he says

Adamant supporters of anyone and anything are very difficult to convince to change their opinions. Such has been the case with George Bush, though certainly not as much in the last 4 years as the first 4). With the love affair that is Obama, it is not surprising that his defenders will, metaphorically, fight to the death to defend his clearly radical ambitions. With a likely congressional supermajority and given the context of that radio interview where he thinks "redistribution" and "economic justice" should be achieved legislatively vs. via the courts, the next few years should be very interesting and very telling. No doubt his defenders and the media will be lapping it up for a while, but his true colors should really shine depending on how he pursues his agenda.

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Originally posted by Shakka Adamant supporters of anyone and anything are very difficult to convince to change their opinions. Such has been the case with George Bush, though certainly not as much in the last 4 years as the first 4). With the love affair that is Obama, it is not surprising that his defenders will, metaphorically, fight to the death to defend his clearly radical ambitions. With a likely congressional supermajority and given the context of that radio interview where he thinks "redistribution" and "economic justice" should be achieved legislatively vs. via the courts, the next few years should be very interesting and very telling. No doubt his defenders and the media will be lapping it up for a while, but his true colors should really shine depending on how he pursues his agenda.

I'm withholding judgment for the time being, but I'll only point out that this idea that terrifies you so hasn't always been very controversial:

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The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. . . . The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. . . . It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.

Adam Smith, father of capitalism.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Adam Smith, father of capitalism.

Not necessarily father of capitalism, more like father of modern economic thought. I'm not sure the two are one and the same.

oops... didn't notice this thread till after I posted the thread on "Smells Like Socialist Spirit".... different commentary making the point a little better that's not being made in this thread so far... check it out

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Originally posted by The17sss oops... didn't notice this thread till after I posted the thread on "Smells Like Socialist Spirit".... different commentary making the point a little better that's not being made in this thread so far... check it out

It's the same video. Just delete your post. kthxbai

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Originally posted by noikeee You're taking the piss now, aren't you?

Not at all. People apparently don't realize that the road to martial law has been paved here in America and that it's not so much a question of if as it is a question of when they declare it.

Jerome Corsi has been one of the few individuals to actually engage in the subject. Here's an interview with him on the Washington Journal where he discusses National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive 51:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJggEPi7iQ

Here's the directive on the White House website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...0070509-12.html

That's really just the tip of the iceberg, though.

Doesn't anyone think it's a funny coincidence that MTV continues to play commercials (if that's what you call them) that depict the rounding up of civilians?



How convenient it is for the powers that be that people are almost completely oblivious to what happens around them.

Maybe this will help clear some things up...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...4/36/995/643777

Although I'm sure for some it'll just be liberal spin.

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Originally posted by LatinLover If he can lie about his friendship with radicals, im pretty sure he can lie about policies also PS: anyways this is not a concern to Obama beacuse 1. The media dosent even bother to investigate and 2. He has supporters like you that believe everything he says

Umm... aren't you supposed to have... left the board? Forever? O.o

Perhaps we oughta re-distribute some campaign contributions while we're at it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...2803413_pf.html

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Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations Contributions Reviewed After Deposits By Matthew Mosk Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, October 29, 2008; A02 Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed. Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged. Instead, the campaign is scrutinizing its books for improper donations after the money has been deposited. The Obama organization said its extensive review has ensured that the campaign has refunded any improper contributions, and noted that Federal Election Commission rules do not require front-end screening of donations. In recent weeks, questionable contributions have created headaches for Obama's accounting team as it has tried to explain why campaign finance filings have included itemized donations from individuals using fake names, such as Es Esh or Doodad Pro. Those revelations prompted conservative bloggers to further test Obama's finance vetting by giving money using the kind of prepaid cards that can be bought at a drugstore and cannot be traced to a donor. The problem with such cards, campaign finance lawyers said, is that they make it impossible to tell whether foreign nationals, donors who have exceeded the limits, government contractors or others who are barred from giving to a federal campaign are making contributions. "They have opened the floodgates to all this money coming in," said Sean Cairncross, chief counsel to the Republican National Committee. "I think they've made the determination that whatever money they have to refund on the back end doesn't outweigh the benefit of taking all this money upfront." The Obama campaign has shattered presidential fundraising records, in part by capitalizing on the ease of online giving. Of the $150 million the senator from Illinois raised in September, nearly $100 million came in over the Internet. Lawyers for the Obama operation said yesterday that their "extensive back-end review" has carefully scrubbed contributions to prevent illegal money from entering the operation's war chest. "I'm pretty sure if I took my error rate and matched it against any other campaign or comparable nonprofit, you'd find we're doing very well," said Robert Bauer, a lawyer for the campaign. "I have not seen the McCain compliance staff ascending to heaven on a cloud." The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election. Biskup, who had scores of Obama contributions attributed to her, said in an interview that she never donated to the candidate. "That's an error," she said. Moreover, she added, her credit card was never billed for the donations, meaning someone appropriated her name and made the contributions with another card. When asked whether the campaign takes steps to verify whether a donor's name matches the name on the credit card used to make a payment, Obama's campaign replied in an e-mail: "Name-matching is not a standard check conducted or made available in the credit card processing industry. We believe Visa and MasterCard do not even have the ability to do this. "Instead, the campaign does a rigorous comprehensive analysis of online contributions on the back end of the transaction to determine whether a contribution is legitimate." Juan Proa�o, whose technology firm handled online contributions for John Edwards's presidential primary campaign, and for John F. Kerry's presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee in 2004, said it is possible to require donors' names and addresses to match those on their credit card accounts. But, he said, some campaigns are reluctant to impose that extra layer of security. "Honestly, you want to have the least amount of hurdles in processing contributions quickly," Proa�o said. Sen. John McCain's campaign has also had questionable donations slip through. Dan Pfeiffer, Obama's communication's director, said that "no organization can fully insulate itself from these problems. The McCain campaign has accepted contributions from fraudulent contributors like 'A for You,' 'Adorable Manabat,' 'The Gun Shop,' and 'Jesus II' and hundreds of anonymous donors." But R. Rebecca Donatelli, who handles online contributions for the McCain operation and the RNC, said security measures have been standard in the GOP nominee's fundraising efforts throughout the campaign. She said she was "flabbergasted" to learn that the Obama campaign accepts prepaid cards. "Yes, a gift card would go through the same process as a regular credit card and be subject to our same back-end review," the Obama campaign said in its response to questions about the use of such cards. Campaign finance lawyers said there is a long history of debate within the FEC about how to ensure that donors use their own credit cards. Election lawyer Brett Kappel said the FEC has never grappled with the question of cash cards. "The whole system is set up for them to accept the payment, then determine whether it is legal or not. And if it's not, send it back. That's what the statute requires," he said.

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When asked whether the campaign takes steps to verify whether a donor's name matches the name on the credit card used to make a payment, Obama's campaign replied in an e-mail: "Name-matching is not a standard check conducted or made available in the credit card processing industry. We believe Visa and MasterCard do not even have the ability to do this. "Instead, the campaign does a rigorous comprehensive analysis of online contributions on the back end of the transaction to determine whether a contribution is legitimate."

heh Well that's a bunch of bull. This is the first time the Internet has been used like this. The laws are going to need to be updated.

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Originally posted by Shakka Perhaps we oughta re-distribute some campaign contributions while we're at it.

I couldn't agree more!!

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Originally posted by LatinLover If he can lie about his friendship with radicals, im pretty sure he can lie about policies also PS: anyways this is not a concern to Obama beacuse 1. The media dosent even bother to investigate and 2. He has supporters like you that believe everything he says

I thought you were leaving?

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Originally posted by Shakka quote: Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Adam Smith, father of capitalism. Not necessarily father of capitalism, more like father of modern economic thought. I'm not sure the two are one and the same.

It's too bad that Adam Smith's views weren't better understood or considered by everyone.

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"Even Adam Smith was more concerned about the harmful influences of concentrated economic power than are many of his contemporary followers. Smith believed that the interests of the consumer must always take precedence over those of producers, who often care little about the public good and always seek to avoid competition. "The sneaking arts of underling tradesmen," he warned, "are thus erected into political maxims for the conduct of a great empire" - Eric Schlosser, Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs, and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market, Mariner Books, 2004, pp 219

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Originally posted by NeoPhono Maybe this will help clear some things up... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...4/36/995/643777 Although I'm sure for some it'll just be liberal spin.

It's really quite sad to see that the McCain campaign has been relegated to pull out of context quotes from 2001 to try to salvage the abysmal failure that is their campaign.

http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic..../devasating.php

I simply don't understand how anyone can support the guy simply based on the Palin pick alone. She has single handedly resulted in buckley, noonan, the goldwaters, kristoll, and virtually every other intellectual conservative to abandon the party. At least SOME republicans have some intellectual honesty left over.

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Originally posted by occrider It's really quite sad to see that the McCain campaign has been relegated to pull out of context quotes from 2001 to try to salvage the abysmal failure that is their campaign. http://ta-nehisicoates.theatlantic..../devasating.php I simply don't understand how anyone can support the guy simply based on the Palin pick alone. She has single handedly resulted in buckley, noonan, the goldwaters, kristoll, and virtually every other intellectual conservative to abandon the party. At least SOME republicans have some intellectual honesty left over.

It is sad but it's not like McCain's a real Republican, anyhow.

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Originally posted by Trancer-X It is sad but it's not like McCain's a real Republican, anyhow.

This should be interesting. What is a "real" Republican, then?

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov This should be interesting. What is a "real" Republican, then?

duh!

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