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Sarkozy: Obama "utterly immature" on foreign policy

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html

According to Ha�aretz, the Israeli government has information that Nicolas Sarkozy has derided Barack Obama as an empty suit on foreign policy. The French president, who has worked hard to bring his country closer to the center-right policies of strength especially on Iran and Israel, considers Obama �utterly immature� in this arena:

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French President Nicolas Sarkozy is very critical of U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama�s positions on Iran, according to reports that have reached Israel�s government. Sarkozy has made his criticisms only in closed forums in France. But according to a senior Israeli government source, the reports reaching Israel indicate that Sarkozy views the Democratic candidate�s stance on Iran as �utterly immature� and comprised of �formulations empty of all content.� Obama visited Paris in July, and the Iranian issue was at the heart of his meeting with Sarkozy. At a joint press conference afterward, Obama urged Iran to accept the West�s proposal on its nuclear program, saying that Iran was creating a serious situation that endangered both Israel and the West. According to the reports reaching Israel, Sarkozy told Obama at that meeting that if the new American president elected in November changed his country�s policy toward Iran, that would be �very problematic.�

Can anyone blame him? Europe does not want direct presidential-level negotiations with Iran � they want the mullahcracy isolated. They need American strength behind that position in order to wring concessions from the ruling Guardian Council. With the price of oil plummeting over the past two months, the economic sanctions on Iran finally have a chance to bite the mullahs hard. Obama�s stated policy would undo everything just at the moment that it has a chance of producing real change.

In fact, Sarkozy believes that Obama would wind up being more unilateral than George Bush in his foreign policy. When a French politician uses the word �arrogant� as an accusation, that means something. Apparently, their brief meeting during the Obama World Tour did not set Sarkozy�s mind at ease. He saw something that makes him extremely uneasy with Obama in charge of American diplomacy.
Formulations empty of all content.

Sounds familiar, no? It has the ring of Hope and Change.

I'm glad you trust unnamed "Israeli government sources". Closed forums in France, huh. Interesting...

wow....a conservative using the french president as support for a position. seems like expediency to me.

do you still use the term 'freedom fries' in north carolina? Or is this an occasion to revert back to the classical term 'french fries'?


my point being: so fucking what? you don't care what he says about anything else, why should this occurrence be different?

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Originally posted by Krypton I'm glad you trust unnamed "Israeli government sources". Closed forums in France, huh. Interesting...

what are you implying... that it's not true? I know you hate the J's but that doesn't mean they made this up. If it's not true, Sarkozy will say so

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 wow....a conservative using the french president as support for a position. seems like expediency to me. are they still called freedom fries in north carolina?

LOL... freedom fries. like i said, if it's not true, then Sarkozy will say so. I won't hold my breath on it.

Man... all you Obama supporters remind me of this guy: He's totally enfatuated with a girl, and you know she's no good for him... over time you see more and more examples of why, and you bring this information to your friend to try to help him. But he doesn't want to believe it, doesn't want to hear it, and actually resents YOU for mentioning it to him, even if it's factual.

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Originally posted by The17sss LOL... freedom fries. like i said, if it's not true, then Sarkozy will say so. I won't hold my breath on it. Man... all you Obama supporters remind me of this guy: He's totally enfatuated with a girl, and you know she's no good for him... over time you see more and more examples of why, and you bring this information to your friend to try to help him. But he doesn't want to believe it, doesn't want to hear it, and actually resents YOU for mentioning it to him, even if it's factual.

try reading this:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...6&forumid=66&s=


then criticize mccain for us.


Sarkozy's opinion is hardly factual. you shouldn't be so careless with the terms you throw around.

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Originally posted by The17sss LOL... freedom fries. like i said, if it's not true, then Sarkozy will say so. I won't hold my breath on it. Man... all you Obama supporters remind me of this guy: He's totally enfatuated with a girl, and you know she's no good for him... over time you see more and more examples of why, and you bring this information to your friend to try to help him. But he doesn't want to believe it, doesn't want to hear it, and actually resents YOU for mentioning it to him, even if it's factual.

What? We're not voting for Sarah Palin... I don't get the analogy.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov What? We're not voting for Sarah Palin... I don't get the analogy.

nice play my socialist comrade.

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Originally posted by The17sss what are you implying... that it's not true? I know you hate the J's but that doesn't mean they made this up. If it's not true, Sarkozy will say so

I am implying this is nothing more than Israeli propaganda, straight from unnamed Israeli government sources. What, do they have Mossad following around Sarkozy? I don't hate Jews. I hate far right Zionists. You know, the ones who would like nothing more than the destruction of the Palestinian nation?

And what kind of reporter reports this bullshit? A reporter who regurgitates what "government sources" say. Hmmm. Sounds propagandist to me.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 try reading this: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...6&forumid=66&s= then criticize mccain for us. Sarkozy's opinion is hardly factual. you shouldn't be so careless with the terms you throw around.

I have no problem criticising mccain. I just see him as the lesser of 2 evils. I know Sarkozy's opinion is opinion and not fact. The analogy I was using was in general to the many things that people have brought up or realized or discovered about Obama in recent weeks/months, yet no matter what it is people don't care because of their emotional attachment to him/his persona.

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Originally posted by The17sss I have no problem criticising mccain. I just see him as the lesser of 2 evils. I know Sarkozy's opinion is opinion and not fact. The analogy I was using was in general to the many things that people have brought up or realized or discovered about Obama in recent weeks/months, yet no matter what it is people don't care because of their emotional attachment to him/his persona.

Was Obama ever charged with committing any crime? I have been friend with a guy who was in the Aryan Brotherhood (prison gang), does that make me a white supremacist?

The sad thing is that while it's true that Obama has serious foreign policy weaknesses, Iran is pretty much the exception to that rule. Quite apart from that, Sarkozy is an idiot. So I can't imagine any good reason why anyone would want to conveniently start listening to his opinion.

Who gives a shit about the french president? Isnt the presidential role more ceremonial in france, ie don't they have a prime minister who is the real head of government?

that's why i fucking hate elected heads of state in the parliamentary system. they think they have a right to speak on behalf of their office when they most assuredly don't.

Re: Sarkozy: Obama "utterly immature" on foreign policy

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Originally posted by The17sss http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031943.html According to Ha�aretz, the Israeli government has information that Nicolas Sarkozy has derided Barack Obama as an empty suit on foreign policy. The French president, who has worked hard to bring his country closer to the center-right policies of strength especially on Iran and Israel, considers Obama �utterly immature� in this arena: Can anyone blame him? Europe does not want direct presidential-level negotiations with Iran � they want the mullahcracy isolated. They need American strength behind that position in order to wring concessions from the ruling Guardian Council. With the price of oil plummeting over the past two months, the economic sanctions on Iran finally have a chance to bite the mullahs hard. Obama�s stated policy would undo everything just at the moment that it has a chance of producing real change. In fact, Sarkozy believes that Obama would wind up being more unilateral than George Bush in his foreign policy. When a French politician uses the word �arrogant� as an accusation, that means something. Apparently, their brief meeting during the Obama World Tour did not set Sarkozy�s mind at ease. He saw something that makes him extremely uneasy with Obama in charge of American diplomacy. Formulations empty of all content. Sounds familiar, no? It has the ring of Hope and Change.

Dude. I'm not going to make accusations but I have made clear my feelings of the importance of citing sources in here. Everyone needs to make a conscious effort to show where their content is coming from. Deliberate or not, copy and pasting a foreign source verbatim without any noticeable indication it is not your own work is definitely uncalled for.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/...foreign-policy/

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Originally posted by The17sss LOL... freedom fries. like i said, if it's not true, then Sarkozy will say so. I won't hold my breath on it.

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The French Embassy puts out a statement denying the Haaretz report that an Israeli official said President Sarkozy was troubled by his Iran policy: quote: The remarks attributed by the newspaper Haaretz to the president of the French Republic concerning Sen. Obama's positions on Iran are groundless. To the contrary, the in-depth discussions between the president of the Republic and Sen. Obama on Iran during their meeting in Paris in July demonstrated a broad convergence of views on this issue. President Sarkozy and Sen. Obama agree to oppose Iran's development of a military nuclear capability. http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...groundless.html

Well that lasted, what, a few hours? Keep digging.

the17sss, sorry but you fell for complete garbage. You should always be skeptical of unnamed sources. Especially coming from "Israeli government sources" who obviously want McCain to win.

that's pretty funny. reminds me of the tripe that trancer posts with virtually no vetting.

Re: Re: Sarkozy: Obama "utterly immature" on foreign policy

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Originally posted by josh4 Dude. I'm not going to make accusations but I have made clear my feelings of the importance of citing sources in here. Everyone needs to make a conscious effort to show where their content is coming from. Deliberate or not, copy and pasting a foreign source verbatim without any noticeable indication it is not your own work is definitely uncalled for. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/...foreign-policy/

Holy shit!




Nice find. the17sss... a lowly plagiarizer caught in the act. Now we all know what we once thought - that he's completely incapable of thinking on his own.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov Holy shit! Nice find. the17sss... a lowly plagiarizer caught in the act. Now we all know what we once thought - that he's completely incapable of thinking on his own.

But I'm the one with the low IQ...

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy But I'm the one with the low IQ...

It was already hard to take much of what he said seriously, but damn...

Re: Re: Sarkozy: Obama "utterly immature" on foreign policy

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Originally posted by josh4 Dude. I'm not going to make accusations but I have made clear my feelings of the importance of citing sources in here. Everyone needs to make a conscious effort to show where their content is coming from. Deliberate or not, copy and pasting a foreign source verbatim without any noticeable indication it is not your own work is definitely uncalled for. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/...foreign-policy/

nice find.

I for one am willing to let it go as a simple slip. Forgot to put in the link, okay. I just take it as an example of the need to cite sources, and always cite them, clearly. Its funny this tends to be mostly a problem from a certain segment of PDD but I digress.

Though I wouldn't be opposed to a full vetting of past posting history to see if there is a pattern here. I'll leave that up to those that care.

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