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Posted by goodtime on Nov-01-2008 19:56:

Which note to use.I was just

Hi, I was just wondering if anybody knew which note would be the best to use in the intro for a trance song. Some of my friends said they were sure it was f# but some said c is really good there! They all said something about that when I wanted the compressor to 'pump' I should use g. I tried it and it really worked, especially when I set a limiter over it, on a pad sound, and used a hp filter with three low pass filters to take out some of the edge on the sound but I used f# and I couldn't say if it was the best sound I was looking for in a well mastered track (T- Racks). Now I'm still stuck, is it f# or g?


Posted by Ian on Nov-01-2008 20:01:

the 8th note


Posted by bamski on Nov-01-2008 20:02:

Hi five.


Posted by goodtime on Nov-01-2008 20:05:

Confused

I think Paul Van Dyk used to use C for many years, but for his new album he changed to F# ???


Posted by Ian on Nov-01-2008 20:06:

well pvd used to be good and no longer is. There-in lies your answer


Posted by nchs09 on Nov-01-2008 20:28:

Brown note.


Posted by wax10001 on Nov-01-2008 21:04:

you should use 6 instead of 3 low pass filters. many of them really help making your song a hit. and ever tried c and f# together? famous since the middle ages...


Posted by goodtime on Nov-01-2008 21:16:

Some call it the dark ages.


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Nov-01-2008 21:24:

No wonder trance sucks nowadays. Producers can't even pick a key to use, they have to ask for help.


Posted by nefardec on Nov-01-2008 21:49:

i think the key of h is the best for trance


Posted by Prototrance on Nov-01-2008 22:26:

Re: Which note to use.I was just

quote:
Originally posted by goodtime
Hi, I was just wondering if anybody knew which note would be the best to use in the intro for a trance song. Some of my friends said they were sure it was f# but some said c is really good there! They all said something about that when I wanted the compressor to 'pump' I should use g. I tried it and it really worked, especially when I set a limiter over it, on a pad sound, and used a hp filter with three low pass filters to take out some of the edge on the sound but I used f# and I couldn't say if it was the best sound I was looking for in a well mastered track (T- Racks). Now I'm still stuck, is it f# or g?


WTF?? You seem to have reasonable technical knowledge, so your question is strange. How can there be one key that appeals to all?
Sounds like you are trying to write tunes for the crowd or the A & R dept'. Not good. Write / produce what YOU like.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-01-2008 22:33:

Actually, you should probably use no notes at all. All of your trance songs should consist of different kinds of unpitched noises: metal scraping against rocks, cats hissing, flatulence, the rustling of clothing, the jangling of a thousand pairs of car keys, silverware thrown down a stairwell, a fan going at high speed, a car's battery failing -- the options are truly limitless, and I'm sure you can think up your own.

I call this avante-garde trance. It is the way of the future.


Posted by Prototrance on Nov-01-2008 22:53:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
flatulence


Mate of mine did this, actually spent far to long doing it. The track was breaks and featured his farts, the sound of various grades of turtlehead hitting the water and his mum (who caught him recording the sound of his shit hitting the pan) saying 'Dirty'.

Awesome track. Made around 6 years ago. It appears he was forward thinking.


Posted by nefardec on Nov-02-2008 00:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Prototrance
Mate of mine did this, actually spent far to long doing it. The track was breaks and featured his farts, the sound of various grades of turtlehead hitting the water and his mum (who caught him recording the sound of his shit hitting the pan) saying 'Dirty'.

Awesome track. Made around 6 years ago. It appears he was forward thinking.


is that Proto-trance?


Posted by PETRAN on Nov-02-2008 00:46:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Actually, you should probably use no notes at all. All of your trance songs should consist of different kinds of unpitched noises: metal scraping against rocks, cats hissing, flatulence, the rustling of clothing, the jangling of a thousand pairs of car keys, silverware thrown down a stairwell, a fan going at high speed, a car's battery failing -- the options are truly limitless, and I'm sure you can think up your own.

I call this avante-garde trance. It is the way of the future.



Noise is so 80s and out-of-fashion



Trance with orchestral elements and realistic organic instrumentation e.g. violins, cellos etc. is the way of the future. I call it "Art-Trance"


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-02-2008 00:49:

quote:
Originally posted by PETRAN
Noise is so 80s and out-of-fashion

"Fashion," you say? Fiddlesticks to that! L'art pour l'art, my friend.

quote:
Trance with orchestral elements and realistic organic instrumentation e.g. violins, cellos etc. is the way of the future. I call it "Art-Trance"

I call it "kitsch."


Posted by PETRAN on Nov-02-2008 01:00:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
"Fashion," you say? Fiddlesticks to that! L'art pour l'art, my friend.





"Art" as you said..."art"...



And anyway, you can't beat Einsturzende Neubauten...and "trance" and "noise" don't seem to go together they are liek the opposite lol.





quote:
I call it "kitsch."







Not if its done properly


Posted by Sykonee on Nov-02-2008 01:02:

The best notes are:
B#
Cb
E#
Fb


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-02-2008 01:16:

use whitenoise then u dont have to think about it. woosh and swoosh


Posted by -FSP- on Nov-02-2008 08:26:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
i think the key of h is the best for trance


I see what you did there.

or i didn't and i'm not aware of the culture of music theory you are reffering to.


Posted by goodtime on Nov-02-2008 08:35:

quote:
Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles


I call this avante-garde trance. It is the way of the future.


If you could record me the sound of a car's battery failing, or if you have such a recording on high quality mp3 at least, then please I would like to use it on beat 3 of my latest track.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-02-2008 09:04:

quote:
Originally posted by palm
use whitenoise then u dont have to think about it. woosh and swoosh

Agreed

Pink noise is a bit gay.


Posted by wax10001 on Nov-02-2008 10:14:

quote:
Originally posted by -FSP-
I see what you did there.

or i didn't and i'm not aware of the culture of music theory you are reffering to.


actually in some parts of europe b is called h. and b flat is called b.. so your doubt is appropriate


Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-02-2008 13:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Agreed

Pink noise is a bit gay.


yeah dont u think!


Posted by goodtime on Nov-02-2008 19:44:

quote:
Originally posted by wax10001
actually in some parts of europe b is called h. and b flat is called b.. so your doubt is appropriate


I would love to hear what this h note sounds like. Which country in europe came up with h notes, and are they audible above 22000hz?


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