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Do you believe there is a U.S. government cover-up surrounding 9/11? (culorut vs pkc)
Yes or No
Hmm.. I wonder what was here that Lira had to edit. Hmmm.
Too bad i don't have admin status to edit your ass.
You could be the one to cry out "it's my ball and i'm going home" defense.
without a doubt
Of course. The US attacks on 2001 September 11 only gave 'justification' to the whole Bush administration and allowed the gov't to take advantage of a large portion of the population whilst the events were still on their mind.
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| Originally posted by ali92 Of course. The US attacks on 2001 September 11 only gave 'justification' to the whole Bush administration and allowed the gov't to take advantage of a large portion of the population whilst the events were still on their mind. |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Do you mean to say that 9/11 was actually like a "New Pearl Harbor?" |
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| Originally posted by ali92 That's what I believe it is like, indeed... |
yes
Democratic Underground had a similar, but more specific POLL that I found from a couple of years back.
quote: KeepItReal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-08-03 03:09 AM
11. Who would call such a catastrophe "lucky"?
"Bush, in the weeks before September 11, pledged to honor the sanctity of the Social Security lockbox except in the event of recession, war, or a national emergency. But after "everything changed" on 9/11, he reportedly gloated to his budget director, Mitch Daniels, "Lucky me--I hit the trifecta!" At the time, this comment (a variation of which is being recycled for laughs at current GOP fundraisers) seemed merely offensive. But in light of revelations that Bush's August 6 briefing memo was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike U.S.," Bush's "luck" and weird prescience are worth more than passing scrutiny. "
http://www.baltimorechronicle.com/trifecta_jun02.html
Why does this board always have the same topics in 3 different threads at the same time?
That being said, do you really think the U.S. government could put such a mammoth conspiracy together without it ever being found out? One which involve some of it's participants commiting suicide in order to carry it out? One that would mean certain death for those who were found to have been involved in this "Grand Conspiracy"? And just where would they find all these Americans in the various branches of services willing to kill their innocent fellow Americans? And all these people are going to keep this secret? And what for? To have an "excuse" to attack another country and start a war? What about the Iraq war? By most people's take, the U.S. manufactured the whole WMD's argument...so why would the government need to kill thousands of it's own people and destroy so much property, just to start a war, when it would be a LOT easier to just make up an excuse?
DO YOU SEE HOW FREAKIN IDIOTIC THIS SOUNDS!?!?!!?
Dude, I've been listening to how idiotic you sound ever since you brought your loudmouth with no brains COR mentality over here.
Try looking at the subject matter scientifically rather than emotionally.
It would seem that many people have denied the existence of many things throughout the ages, despite whether they were true or not. It would behoove you to do a little more research on things before you open your mouth, but I guess you just enjoy commenting about things that you really don't seem to know much about.
Your persistence is certainly commendable, I will give you that much. I mean, you definitely know how to derail thread topics pretty quickly. It's probably a little bit harder to do here than it was in the COR, though.
*** http://911anomaly.blogspot.com/ ***
but there's so much that the official whitewash failed to even talk about.
Unexplained 9-11 Explosion at WTC Complex
Despite the fact that the horrible events of Sept. 11 occurred in broad daylight and were widely photographed, significant aspects of the attacks have been completely suppressed by a media blackout.
Exclusive to American Free Press
By Christopher Bollyn
A massive explosion, witnessed by millions of television viewers on CNN, evidently devastated World Trade Center 6, the eight-story U.S. Customs building, although no national newspaper, other than American Free Press, has written a word about it.
Before the smoke had cleared from around the stricken South Tower, a mysterious explosion shot 550 feet into the air above the U.S. Customs House at WTC 6.
The unexplained blast occurred between the burning North Tower and the 47-story Salomon Brothers Building, known as WTC 7, immediately after United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the South Tower, at about 9:03 a.m.
The explosion at WTC 6 was shown afterward on CNN. But because it was not broadcast as it happened there has been some confusion about when it actually occurred.
The large amount of smoke seen cascading around the South Tower in the video led some observers to mistake the blast for a dust cloud from the subsequent collapse of the tower.
TIMING CONFIRMED
American Free Press contacted CNN to determine exactly when the footage was filmed.
CNN�s Public Affairs Department confirmed that the explosion shown in the footage occurred immediately after the second plane had crashed into the South Tower. When asked if the footage was taken at 9:04 a.m., the CNN archivist said �that�s correct.�
When asked if CNN could offer any explanation about what might have caused the blast that soared higher than the 47-story WTC 7 in the foreground, the archivist said: �We can�t figure it out.�
The affected space between WTC 7 and the North Tower was occupied by the Customs House building, also known as WTC 6. The building housed the offices of 760 employees of the Customs Service, a part of Treasury. Other federal agencies had offices in the building, including the Departments of Commerce, Agriculture, Labor, and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. They did not return calls to AFP about the matter.
A spokesman for the Export-Import Bank of the United States, which had an office with four employees on the sixth floor of the Customs House, confirmed the time of the explosion and told AFP that the employees had survived and been relocated. One private company, Eastco Building Services, Inc., reportedly leased space in the building.
Some 800 workers from WTC 6 were safely evacuated within 12 minutes of the first plane hitting the North Tower at about 8:46 a.m., according to a Sept. 18 Washington Post article by Stephen Barr.
The Barr piece is the only known article published about WTC 6. However, Barr failed to mention the explosion that apparently devastated the building just minutes after the workers had escaped with their lives.
AVOIDING THE SUBJECT
Although the Customs House apparently exploded at 9:04 a.m., the government-sponsored investigation was steered away from looking into what had actually happened.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency funded an investigation by the American Society of Civil Engineers. However, investigators were reportedly blocked from the building by an order from the New York City�s Department. of Design and Construction .
Kenneth Holden is commissioner of the DDC, having been appointed by the former mayor, Rudolph Giuliani on Dec. 7, 1999.
Regarding the investigation of WTC 4, 5, and 6, FEMA�s �Building Performance� report says, �WTC 5 was the only building accessible for observation.� But, it adds, �the observations, findings, and recommendations are assumed to be applicable to all three buildings.�
A spokesman for FEMA told AFP that because the building was considered by DDC to be �very dangerous,� there was �no data collection� from WTC 6.
Dr. Gene Corley, one of the engineers who led the investigation, told AFP that concerns about loose gold bullion and cash prevented investigators from entering WTC 4.
The FEMA report says, �The buildings [4,5,6] responded as expected to the impact loadings.� Although the report says, �most of the central part of WTC 6 suffered collapse on all floors,� it adds, �damage was consistent with the observed impact load.�
The Customs House had a huge crater in its center.
Corley told AFP that he had not seen the CNN photos before and called them �interesting.�
Corley, like other experts, thought the damage at WTC 6 was caused by the collapse of the North Tower. However, not one of the experts could recall seeing the CNN footage before.
A spokesman for the Customs Service told AFP, �It did not blow up. When the tower collapsed it caved in.�
Corley said he had not seen the photos of the extremely high-speed missile-like object seen streaking toward WTC 6 from behind the North Tower as the second plane hit the South Tower.
He noted that parts of the plane�s landing gear and an engine passed through the South Tower, and landed several blocks away.
These objects, however, had a distinctly different trajectory from the streaking missile-like object. Another investigator, Jonathan Barnett, told AFP, �The debris from Tower 2 hit Building 5, not 6.�
http://www.americanfreepress.net/07...ined_9-11_.html
So a missle was timed to strike WTC 6 at the exact same moment that the South Tower was being struck by a plane?
Amazing! It's all so clear to me now!! Why didn't I see the obvious before? Better yet; Why hasn't everyone, in a city of tens-of-thousands, reported seeing this missle as well? Well who cares; I'm a convert!!
When do I get my free gift?vvv
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco So a missle was timed to strike WTC 6 at the exact same moment that the South Tower was being struck by a plane? Amazing! It's all so clear to me now!! Why didn't I see the obvious before? Better yet; Why hasn't everyone, in a city of tens-of-thousands, reported seeing this missle as well? Well who cares; I'm a convert!! When do I get my free gift?vvv |
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| The official investigators found that they had less authority than the clean-up crews, a fact that led the Science Committee of the House of Representatives to report that “the lack of authority of investigators to impound pieces of steel for examination before they were recycled led to the loss of important pieces of evidence�? (http://www.house.gov/science/hot/wt...ort/WTC_ch5.pdf). http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Duhhhhhhhh, try reading it again. That's not even what it says. |
http://ts.searching.com/search.asp?....x=0&submit.y=0
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| 911 EYEWITNESS - Audio/Visual proof of bombs in the Two Towers and Building 7 on 9/11 Scientific analysis of raw footage applying the laws of physics www.911eyewitness.com |
August 23, 2001: O'Neill Begins Job as Head of Security at the WTC
Complete 911 Timeline
John O'Neill begins his new job as head of security at the WTC. (New Yorker, 1/14/02) A friend says to him, "Well, that will be an easy job. They're not going to bomb that place again."? O'Neill replies, "Well actually they've always wanted to finish that job. I think they're going to try again."? On September 10, he moves into his new office on the 34th floor of the North Tower. That night, he tells colleague Jerry Hauer, "We're due for something big. I don't like the way things are lining up in Afghanistan" (a probable reference to the assassination of Afghan leader Ahmed Shah Massoud the day before). O'Neill will be killed in the 9/11 attack.
(PBS Frontline, 10/3/02 (D))
People and organizations involved: John O'Neill, Jerry Hauer, Ahmed Shah Massoud, World Trade Center
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...=1521846767-769
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco |
911 Exposed
Never in American history have so many intelligent, often brilliant citizens engaged in a more penetrating, astonishingly devoted investigation of a clearly-manipulated 'Reichstag' event such as 911. And their results are MORE than sufficient to bring a trainload of charges against people within and without the highest levels of the US government. There are tens of thousands of pages of data pointing to direct knowledge, complicity, foreknowledge and treasonous conspiracy to convince ANY honestly open-minded American that there are the gravest indictations of Government involvement in the tragedy of September 11.
Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld and Myers all said, "We didn't have any idea something like this could happen," and the FBI produced the names of all the so-called hijackers later that same day. Seven months later we learn the Washington kingpins were all running air defense drills that very same day they all said they didn't know something like this could happen.
The official conspiracy theory is that a man in a cave in Asia pulled off 9/11, the catalyzing event that allows for these big money-making wars. $1.4 billion to George W. Bush Senior and the Carlyle Group alone. How ever did Osama keep our air defense grounded for 1 hour 51 minutes, an air defense second to none, which had performed swiftly and carefully 67 separate times in the 12 months prior to 9/11 in surrounding and escorting wayward aircraft flying outside their flight paths? 67 times from 9/11/2000 to 9/10/2001, but which failed so completely on 9/11. Osama didn't do that.
And neither did Saddam. Bush and his gaggle of warmongers were responsible for that. The question is whether they allowed it or orchestrated it. The entirety of our air defense was not out for coffee and donuts for 1 hour and 51 minutes that morning. The 9/11 Commission says our air defense was confused. I'll tell you where the confusion lies, it's that the Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, was a former aide to Condeleeza Rice, and so directed it to the conclusions it reached: Whitewash. No, not Whitewater: Whitewash. Ask any family members of the victims of 9/11 how that commission refused to ask the questions the family members wanted answers to, but didn't get.
Bush and Cheney Blocked the 9/11 Investigation. Initially Bush denied an investigation into the 9/11 attacks was necessary. Bush later got Sen. Tom Daschle and the 9/11 Commission to limit the investigation's budget to $600,000; yet Republicans spent $65,000,000 on whether President Clinton had sex in the oval office. Bush has never testified under oath. His administration has refused to release thousands of documents pertaining to 9/11.
What is "theory" and what is fact? In the absence of a full confession, this can only be decided by a preponderance of evidence, and it would be silly to come to a conclusion on any matter without looking at all the evidence available. This is only common sense, just as it is safe to assume some degree of guilt or complicity on the part of anyone who lies about an event, or tries to hide, plant, or destroy any type of evidence.
Conspiracy theories arise from evidence. After the government releases an explanation of a particular event, a conspiracy theory is only born because evidence exists to disprove their explanation, or at least call it into question. There's nothing insane about it, unless you define sanity as believing whatever the government tells you. In light of the fact that our government lies to us regularly, I would define believing everything they tell you as utter stupidity.
The real question is not why people theorize about conspiracies, but why people choose to believe the government's version of events when it's obvious that they're lying. One reason is that most people never see the evidence because our "news" industry hides it, and another reason is that the same news industry will quickly associate anyone who questions the government with the people who see Elvis, Bigfoot, and UFO's.
But sadly, I think the main reason people choose to believe the government's version of events despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, is because it's easier, and safer. If you ignore most of the evidence, and accept as plausible whatever ridiculous explanation the T.V. provides, your life remains simple, and you get to sit on your ass and watch more T.V. If on the other hand, you pluck your head from that same ass and realize you've been lied to, as a citizen in a democratic society, you're instantly burdened with being responsible for doing something about it.
Every citizen of the United States has a civic duty to participate in their government, and keep themselves informed of its actions, or government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" isn't possible. You were warned that "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom," but you chose to ignore your government, and believe whatever they told you, and because of this, Americans have lost their freedom. Although presidents and senators are public servants, unlike the dog catcher and mailman, they wield a lot of power over people's lives, and that's why they have to be watched, and scrutinized.
See this article for a further elaboration of the above. More videos and books are Here
more:
http://www.netctr.com/911exposed.html
trancer's right donnie. go take your google image hunting back to the COR.
id like more answers trancer. its all too easy to say stuff like
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How ever did Osama keep our air defense grounded for 1 hour 51 minutes, an air defense second to none, which had performed swiftly and carefully 67 separate times in the 12 months prior to 9/11 in surrounding and escorting wayward aircraft flying outside their flight paths? 67 times from 9/11/2000 to 9/10/2001, but which failed so completely on 9/11. Osama didn't do that. |
the plot must be convincing.
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco Why does this board always have the same topics in 3 different threads at the same time? |
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| ...so why would the government need to kill thousands of it's own people and destroy so much property, just to start a war, when it would be a LOT easier to just make up an excuse? DO YOU SEE HOW FREAKIN IDIOTIC THIS SOUNDS!?!?!!? |
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| Originally posted by Trancer-X Dude, I've been listening to how idiotic you sound ever since you brought your loudmouth with no brains COR mentality over here. |
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| Originally posted by donnybrasco |
Until I came on this board, I wouldn't have believed that so many SCREWBALLS could possibly be on the Internet...I should have known better.
So you all think it's much more plausible that 9-11 was at the very least, a co-conspirated event, co-ordinated to occur with the Al Queda attacks or, co-ordinated solely by the U.S. government? THIS seems more plausible to you than the possibility that Osama and his organization, who took credit for the atttack, and who are still out there today attacking, could be the sole attackers?
My god. Get out from behind your computers more often...take a walk...talk to real people...and get back in the REAL WORLD! You sit here talking about this as though it's something to be realistically debated, like the economy or politics! How on EARTH could the U.S. government keep such a thing secret? WHY on earth would any group of Americans do something that horrific against other Americans?
Trancer, just to be fair to you and just so you know, I have read most of what you posted in this thread and I went to these expose' websites that you posted links to. None of those so-called "revealing" pictures reveal SHIT! Have you really looked at them? There's nothing in them that even remotely supports the points they're trying to make! And the content of the texts? PSYCHO-BABLE! Not that I expected anything different, but these sites are barely even good for a laugh!
I'll even give you an example; Supposedly, there's a picture of a helicopter puting a bomb on top of one of the towers after it's been attacked...do you really think a bomb would be needed at this point? I mean, a freakin HUGE JET PLANE was just flown in to the building! I think it was going to fall all on it's own, don't you?!?!
This forum needs a section for;
PS: Pakastani; If you truly are entertaining the possibility that any of this conspiracy theory crap is even remotely credible, then you are going to lose a lot of credibility all the way around, imho.
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