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New Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

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"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted."

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You mean Obama wants clean energy??

Shocking!

Wow that's excellent news! Gobama!

does Obama say anything to anyone to get elected, or is he indeed a radical?

if you can answer yes to either of those two questions with certainty...or even if you can't...he does not need to be the President.



in other radical Obama news:



"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Re: New Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

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Originally posted by LittleGoku link

exactly why is the objectionable?

Oh no, sustainable energy!!!

Re: Re: New Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 exactly why is the objectionable?

because there is nothing as of yet, next year or even the next decade and presumably longer that can sustain 40% of the North American electrical grid and our appetite for steel...and he sure as hell isn't going nuclear.

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Originally posted by Krypton Oh no, sustainable energy!!!

this isn't about sustainable energy you idiot. we have enough coal to sustain ourselves for the next 200+ years if need be. this is about anthropogenic global warming theory.

at least get on the same f**king page

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Originally posted by Q5echo this isn't about sustainable energy you idiot. we have enough coal to sustain ourselves for the next 200+ years if need be. this is about anthropogenic global warming theory. at least get on the same f**king page

Show some fucking respect...

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Originally posted by Q5echo because there is nothing as of yet, next year or even the next decade and presumably longer that can sustain 40% of the North American electrical grid and our appetite for steel...and he sure as hell isn't going nuclear.

Even if that's true, it just leads to the conclusion that this is a non-issue. If demand goes up or stays the same, and there is no alternative, then the price of electricity will just go up to pay for any surcharge. It's hardly a threat to the industry...

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Originally posted by Arbiter Even if that's true, it just leads to the conclusion that this is a non-issue. If demand goes up or stays the same, and there is no alternative, then the price of electricity will just go up to pay for any surcharge. It's hardly a threat to the industry...

it's a non-issue if we're talking in terms of generations or even decades but as far as i can tell he's not. every indication is that he want's to do this now or sometime within his term regardless of the short term effects or our current capabilities.

Re: Re: New Audio: Obama Tells SF Chronicle He Will Bankrupt Coal Industry

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Originally posted by Q5echo "We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 exactly why is the objectionable?

Soft power > Hard power

this is not NEW....

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As Fox News reporter Shushannah Walshe notes, the charge that the paper was �withholding the information� is hard to support considering that the audio file has always been available. In a blog post yesterday, senior Chronicle political writer Carla Marinucci points out that the paper �has never, hidden any interview, audio or video, of Obama from its readers�: The truth: the paper�s January editorial board session with Obama included comments about coal. The entire interview has been in the public domain, available on line to the public � and to the McCain campaign � since early January. �How can anyone suggest that we hid an interview that we did, immediately put up on the web � and advertised to our readers,� said editorial page editor John Diaz Sunday, regarding his hosting of Obama at the session. �We promoted it like like hell�and I�m sure the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign scrubbed it. You can still find the whole 48 minutes and 33 seconds on line.�

eat it..
SOURCE
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Yeah, stop trying to make something out of nothing...
The right/far right failed to see this when it was first available..eat it again... whoever things this is a game changer...must b really really desperate...

Dammit.... I was behind the 8-ball again starting a new thread about the same thing 10 minutes after someone else did. Here are my 2 cents:


From January interview with the San Francisco Chron. editorial board... fucking amazing it's "just now coming to light" today.



Excerpt from video below:

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You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know � Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I�m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it � whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

Skyrocketing energy prices will fuck this country up (as we witnessed this summer). He says they will NECESSARILY increase. And with a busted economy, there's no way we can expect great scientific breakthroughs. Research and development will be cut down with profits going in the tank.... which means all those great ideas will be severely delayed or just won't happen.... am I wrong? THis is exactly why we need to use our own untapped resources.

BUT WAIT... it gets better. Not to be outdone, he flat out says people can build new coal plants if they want, but he'll bankrupt them for doing so with his cap and trade policy... which means his campaign promises to work for the coal worker have been strait up lies.





Coal provides 49% of domestic electrical power, and any rise in the cost of producing that energy will raise its cost to consumers and reduce the amount produced. He wants a 15% reduction in electricity at the same time he's calling for a switch from gasoline to electricity for cars
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12280.html

How does one switch tens of millions of vehicles from gasoline to electricity without INCREASING demand? What a contradiction. We'll need more energy production while trying to get out a recession, not less. The lemmings just ignore and follow.... ignore and follow.

How can you not care about the integrity of where you get your news? An intelligent rational mind should want their sources to be dependable and accurate. You all turn a blind eye to developments showing your sources involved in questionable activities. You only want to be told what you want to hear. Forget anything that could come into conflict with your perceptions of the world as you know it.

Before you try to turn that around - Legitimate sources are not known to change the party of a convicted senator from Republican to Democrat. Legitimate sources of news do not obviously perpetuate made up lies about a presidential candidate out to bankrupt the coal industry.

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Lies, Half Truths and Contradictions: Chronicle ''Hidden'' Audio on Obama SF Chronicle It's not true. But the Drudge Report, the Republican National Committee and apparently even GOP VP candidate Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin fell for completely fabricated news from a shady website called Newsbusters today suggesting the San Francisco Chronicle has ''hidden'' audio with Sen. Barack Obama regarding his statements on coal. ''Barack Obama explained his plan to the San Francisco Chronicle this year,'' she told a rally in Ohio Sunday. ''He said that sure, if the industry wants to build coal-fired power plants, then they can go ahead and try, he says, but they can do it only in a way that will bankrupt the coal industry.'' She added, ''And you've got to listen to the tape.'' ''Why is the audiotape just now surfacing?'' Palin asked the crowd, according to a report from CBS News. Someone in the crowd shouted, ''Liberal media!' Let's be very clear: the Chronicle did not, and has never, hidden any interview, audio or video, of Obama from its readers. The truth: the paper's January editorial board session with Obama included comments about coal. The entire interview has been in the public domain, available on line to the public -- and to the McCain campaign -- since early January. ''How can anyone suggest that we hid an interview that we did, immediately put up on the web -- and advertised to our readers,'' said editorial page editor John Diaz Sunday, regarding his hosting of Obama at the session. ''We promoted it like like hell...and I'm sure the Clinton campaign and the McCain campaign scrubbed it. You can still find the whole 48 minutes and 33 seconds on line.'' Obama's campaign responded to Palin's comments today, noting correctly that the wide-ranging interview also included the Illinois Senator's comments that the idea of eliminating coal plants was ''an illusion.'' Apparently neither campaign, until now, ever felt there was much worth mentioning regarding Obama's coal comments. But it's now two days before the election and McCain is in a do-or-die battle in Pennsylvania and Ohio. A final note: the shoddy Newsbusters blog has been caught in the past simply fabricating news regarding the Chronicle's coverage. Our paper has demanded corrections for their fiction, but to no avail. We contacted Bill Riggs, regional press secretary of the Republican National Committee tonight on his emailing of this erroneous report suggesting a ''hidden'' Chronicle audiotape to political reporters. His response: he didn't confirm it, or write the headline. He just sent it out. He got taken. And so did the rest. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs...&entry_id=32228

I don't think you care. I think you gobble it up without second thought no matter the integrity. Like good foot soldiers you receive your marching orders and perpetuate the lies, deceit, and half truths.

weather it's been available to the public or not is besides the point, IMO... the main issue is Obama in his own words saying that he will bankrupt the coal industry with his cap and trade policy if they want to build new plants and create those jobs.

I want every fucking Winger who's going after Obama to show the same damn criticism for McCain, right fucking now:

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McCain And Obama Criticize New Coal Plants � Right Wing Goes Insane� Both presidential candidates, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) have called for a mandatory cap on carbon emissions in the United States. Coal-fired power plants, which produce about 49 percent of U.S. electricity, account for 83 percent of power-sector emissions. Because of the global warming footprint, the cheapness of coal-fired electricity is illusory. Under a cap-and-trade system, the cost of those emissions � now a market externality � would have a dollar cost. In a January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle, Obama used blunt language to describe how a cap and trade system would change the future of the power sector: quote: That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants are being built, they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted-down caps that are imposed every year. So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It�s just that it will bankrupt them because they�re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that�s being emitted. That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel, and other alternative energy approaches. The right wing has gone insane over these remarks, falsely claiming that Obama said he �will bankrupt the coal industry.� This false claim is the headline of a Newsbusters story � the same right-wing front group that falsely attacked Al Gore using doctored audio clips. This time, the piece is based on an anonymous YouTube video. After being pumped by a top link on the Drudge Report, the right-wing � including the Weekly Standard, Michelle Malkin, and Power Line � went wild and repeated the lie that Obama talked about �bankrupting� the �coal industry.� In reality, Obama�s statements, while blunt, are neither revelatory nor controversial. At a September 15 townhall meeting in Orlando, FL, McCain warned against building new coal plants: quote: We�re going to build new plants that generate energy, my friends, we�re going to build them. We�ve got to. There�s an increased demand for it. And it seems to me, it�s going to be coal, which I believe will increase greenhouse gas emissions dramatically, or it�s going to be nuclear, or it�s going to be clean coal technology. In the San Francisco Chronicle interview , Obama similarly stated that the future of power involves coal: quote: But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can�t, then we�re gonna still be working on alternatives. Under either candidate�s cap and trade program, constructing new coal plants that do not employ �clean coal technology� � that is, carbon capture and sequestration technology � would raise costs �dramatically.� Independent analysts have found that new coal plants would �create significant financial risks for shareholders and ratepayers� because of the likely cost of their greenhouse gas emissions. Thus, energy providers will have a financial incentive to pursue alternative energy and energy efficiency. McCain explained the market signal of a cap and trade program in his May 12 speech on climate change: quote: And the same approach that brought a decline in sulfur dioxide emissions can have an equally dramatic and permanent effect on carbon emissions. Instantly, automakers, coal companies, power plants, and every other enterprise in America would have an incentive to reduce carbon emissions, because when they go under those limits they can sell the balance of permitted emissions for cash. As never before, the market would reward any person or company that seeks to invent, improve, or acquire alternatives to carbon-based energy. . . A cap-and-trade policy will send a signal that will be heard and welcomed all across the American economy. Those who want clean coal technology, more wind and solar, nuclear power, biomass and bio-fuels will have their opportunity through a new market that rewards those and other innovations in clean energy. McCain emphasized who the winners under a carbon cap-and-trade system are: �clean coal technology, more wind and solar, nuclear power, biomass and bio-fuels.� The market �incentive,� �reward,� or �signal� is a euphemism that the winners will make money because the losers will pay more. And the losers, above all, are traditional coal plants � no matter who is elected president.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2...ma-coal-plants/

And please, munch on this fucking video while you're at it you cryin' ninnies:



You can also read more below where McCain stated that his plan would require sacrifice, but that America would be better off eventually:

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congr...7531&id=7351694

(shamelessly ripped from: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2...6086/332/650566)

Got any more horseshit to throw at the wall and pray it sticks before tomorrow? What a joke......

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Originally posted by The17sss From January interview with the San Francisco Chron. editorial board... fucking amazing it's "just now coming to light" today.

You're right, it is amazing, as it clearly shows how fucking good you people are with your intel. You play the "we're the best to protect the nation card," yet on a topic that was clearly out there and available for you to use as debate topic and attack piece for the past 9 months, you completely dropped the ball.

Great, let's elect the party that consistently shows how inept they are at EVERYTHING.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You're right, it is amazing, as it clearly shows how fucking good you people are with your intel. You play the "we're the best to protect the nation card," yet on a topic that was clearly out there and available for you to use as debate topic and attack piece for the past 9 months, you completely dropped the ball. Great, let's elect the party that consistently shows how inept they are at EVERYTHING.

hahahaha plas juan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7p4mioawIA

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Originally posted by Clovis http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7p4mioawIA

"This video is not available in your country."

When did YouTube start this sh%t?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r "This video is not available in your country." When did YouTube start this sh%t?

don't sweat it, it's only justin timberlake's "cry me a river"

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