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Toronto city hall takes it a step too far...

Take a look at this stupidity...

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City's pro-recycling packaging plan creates a tempest in a coffee cup PAWEL DWULIT/TORONTO STAR The plastic lid on a paper hot-beverage cup, left, will be banned by the end of 2009 under the city's recommended new packaging rules because the two materials don't mix in the recycling stream. The plastic lid used on a polystyrene foam cup would be allowed under the packaging proposal, because both are made of petrochemicals and can be recycled together. Who's tougher: Tim Hortons, or the City of Toronto? The city says it will ban coffee shops and restaurants from selling java in paper cups with plastic lids by the end of 2009, because recyclers don't want mixed paper and plastic. Tim Hortons executive Nick Javor says the company is "incredibly dismayed" with that position, and will try to change the city's mind. The tempest in the coffee cup erupted as city staff unveiled their report on "in-store packaging": items such as takeout food and drink containers, and plastic bags, added by restaurants and retailers rather than manufacturers. Among the recommendations: Shops and restaurants that sell hot drinks should be required to give customers a 20-cent discount if they bring their own mug; Stores that give out plastic bags should be required to give customers who bring their own bags 10 cents off for every bag saved; Nonrecyclable bags and coffee cups will be banned as of Dec. 31, 2009. Under the city's rules, any mixed-material container � such as a paper cup and a plastic lid � is nonrecyclable. (Oddly, a polystyrene foam cup with a plastic lid is considered recyclable, because it's all petrochemical. Biodegradable plastic bags, on the other hand, will also be banned, because recyclers don't want them.) The city wants to develop a reusable food container that meets health standards and can be used for picking up takeout food. Sales of bottled water will be banned at Toronto City Hall and the former local city halls immediately. Sales will be banned at all other city facilities by Dec. 31, 2011. Toronto will start accepting plastic grocery bags and foam packaging in blue boxes in December. Javor led a chorus of negative business reaction to the proposed policies, which will go before the works committee next week and to city council in early December. He disputed the city's claim that Timmy's cups are not recyclable. "The cup can be recycled in other jurisdictions," he insisted. "It's being done in Windsor. ... It's being recycled in Owen Sound, it's being composted in Hamilton." He was also unhappy with the 20-cent discount for bringing your own mug: Tim Hortons now offers 10 cents. Javor said the company saves 6 to 9 cents when customers bring their own; the city report claims the saving is 13 to 27 cents. The company will "absolutely not" redesign its cups to suit Toronto, said Javor, who says plastic lids are the only leak-proof products on the market. Councillor Glenn De Baeremaeker, who chairs the works committee, said he hopes business will go along with the city's efforts "and offer their customers a green choice." One source of conflict could be if stores and customers disagree over how many bags have been saved when a customer brings his own. "We're depending on Torontonians to be reasonable, and we're depending on stores to be reasonable as well," De Baeremaeker said. Companies can be ordered to comply because the City of Toronto Act gives council power to enact bylaws for the city's "environmental well-being," he said. But Councillor Denzil Minnan-Wong was skeptical, arguing the proposed rules in effect set prices businesses must charge, under the guise of environmental rules. He warned court battles could result. Franz Hartmann, of the Toronto Environmental Alliance, welcomed the proposals, which he said will put "the onus on businesses who create a lot of packaging waste to conform to what the city needs." But Stephanie Jones, vice-president of the Canadian Restaurant and Foodservices Association, said the city could simply educate consumers to take the plastic lid off before recycling their coffee cups.

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Ok... Im all pro recycling and such... but this is going to cost businesses a shitload to redesign and produce new cups for just one city. These cups will cost way too much and will suck up all their profit.

I hope Tim Hortons can stop this, not because I care much for Tims but for the smaller local shops that are going to hurt really bad.

Or, they could run a public education campaign (they actually work from time to time if they're done right) to coach people on an alternative that just kinda makes sense:

Take the lid

off the cup

before you throw it out

This just makes sense to me given that they are separate materials, & it's something I've been doing for at least the last couple years that I can remember.

Scary thought that there may be a simpler (& cheaper) resolution to this problem than a legislative one. Perhaps then we could turn the tax dollars being wasted on a debate like this towards more important issues.

so because polystyrene foam cups and plastic lids are ok together, they're basically saying "dont use paper cups which can be recycled and made into more paper cups but use foam cups cos thats what we say is ok now.."

fcuk the environment....preemptive sorting for recycling is far more valuable

I guess I'll be popping out for a Starbucks with my own mug then..

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew I guess I'll be popping out for a Starbucks with my own mug then..

if u dont have ur mug, just use a pocket of urs....should be fine..as long as u dont piss the city off..

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Originally posted by El K Dee if u dont have ur mug, just use a pocket of urs....should be fine..as long as u dont piss the city off..

lol
well if it's coffee to bring back to the office, I don't mind getting a discount
otherwise if I wanna walk around with a nice cup of coffee, it's going to be a nuesance (sp?)

wow, hippies are going too far.

Let's stop the economy and live in huts milking goats and eating grass(and die at 35 years old).

I predict:

Plastic lids replaced with paper-based alternative.

Paper lids not as effective as plastic.

Hot coffee scalds consumer

Consumer sues THE CITY for forcing shops to use an unsafe product.

Toronto pays out millions to upset coffe drinkers to avoid a judgement in advance of an election.

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Originally posted by Dr. DAS I predict: Plastic lids replaced with paper-based alternative. Paper lids not as effective as plastic. Hot coffee scalds consumer Consumer sues THE CITY for forcing shops to use an unsafe product. Toronto pays out millions to upset coffe drinkers to avoid a judgement in advance of an election.

rinse,


repeat

(the city wont go back on their decision)

This is completely neurotic.

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Originally posted by slingshot This is completely erotic.

indeed...hot topless cups ftw

Wow. So ridiculous. Going too far, once again...

*patiently waiting for jayx1*

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Originally posted by Yohan *patiently waiting for jayx1*

it doesn't concern either cigarettes or alcohol so ur wait is gonna be long

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Originally posted by The Ear Take the lid off the cup before you throw it out

i like ur 3-pronged strategy

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Originally posted by malek (and die at 135 years old).

corrected

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Originally posted by fayraree i like ur 3-pronged strategy corrected

Yeah man. You should become an overpaid consultant like me and work for various forms of government. They pay you for stuff like that!

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Originally posted by fayraree corrected

since when people living in huts have 135 years of life expectency? isn't that the reason your parents fled pakiland?

Wow. This is ridiculous. Timmy's, Starbucks, Second Cup, etc... Practically on every corner in this city. How can the City of Toronto expect something like this to work?!

"Ok "National/International Company", we as the City of Toronto say you can't bring your cups into our city anymore. Make something new. Because we said so."

Brilliant brainstorming and planning at 100 Queen Street once again. Our tax dollar money being put to great use.

Does anyone else feel like they're just doing this to raise awareness though? Trolling, government style? lol

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Originally posted by Dave Akermanis Does anyone else feel like they're just doing this to raise awareness though? Trolling, government style? lol

lets go get a coffee.

I think they should be more concerned about getting rid of drive thrus..

i hate them.. they sit there and idle their cars causing more pollution.

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Originally posted by smuncky lets go get a coffee.

dont forget your thermos and city approved takeout container soloviev.

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Originally posted by Dave Akermanis Does anyone else feel like they're just doing this to raise awareness though? Trolling, government style? lol

Even if that is the case (god I hope not), its most definitely NOT the way a government should be acting to bring attention to the matter.

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Originally posted by jsibilin I think they should be more concerned about getting rid of drive thrus.. i hate them.. they sit there and idle their cars causing more pollution.

NOT something, either, that should be banned! Jesus.

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Originally posted by Jem_hadar NOT something, either, that should be banned! Jesus.

I just hate it when people are being served faster in the drive-thru line then in the walk-in lineup. In oakville the Timmies headquarters has a self-serve which is cool but I still think idling your car creates too much pollution (also bad for your car).

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