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Thomas Penton or Vengeance

I am looking at getting a new sample cd and am wondering what is the better choice. I am after Drums, FX and loops/grooves.

I was looking at Vengeance house 2 or the Penton Collection. Both pretty much the same price but you get 3 cds in the Penton collection.

Anyone have experience with tehse cds? Is it worth going for or should i go vengeance.

If you're looking to produce trance, then the Vengeance essential clubsounds 1 & 2 are used by many producers and these are what I would plump for if I was you.

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I have both the Vengeance series & Volume One of the Thomas Penton Essential Drums & Percussion, and would personally recommend the Penton samples. I would say, however, that if your looking to create your own brand of kicks etc then I'd plump for the Vengeance as there's more room to work dynamically with them. Penton's are basically ready to use straight 'out of the box' as they say.

I haven't tried the new Penton samples but I'm definetly thinking about buying them, especially Vol.2 for the effects.

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there's more room to work dynamically with them

i would not agree with this. The vengeance kicks sound mostly sampled from tracks and sound very very compressed. The loops are terrible as well imo.

try

loopmasters

or

sample magic


the sound demos dont sound as "mastered" but the raw sounds and especially the loops sound far better imo.

Dannib. Do you have any suggestions on which cds to get from loopmasters or Samplemagic. I am looking to make Darren Tate, Andy duguid etc. style of music.

Thomas Penton - Single hit drums or loops?

I am interested in getting the Thomas Penton CD's. I am looking for good SINGLE hit drums, not loops (I can program my own drum lines thank you very much ). Do the Thomas Penton CD's have single hit drum samples? It looks like Vol. 1 & 3 might, but is Vol. 2 just effects and loops? Can someone that has these CD's verify for me?

Thanks,
Sam

I have now bought the cds. cd 2 is indeed just loops & effects. Cds 1 and 3 are loads of good quality drum hits. Well worth the purchasein my opinion.

Thanks Frankh. Say, do your MySpace tunes use those Thomas Penton drum samples? Thanks.

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Originally posted by empirepd Thanks Frankh. Say, do your MySpace tunes use those Thomas Penton drum samples? Thanks.

Yeah most of the drum samples on there are of the penton cds. The groove in Oceans apart was an old one i had lying about of a different cd though.

I hate Vengenace samples.

I prefer Thomas Penton, they've got more character and depth to them and I find them to be more usable because they're slightly more dynamic as well. Maybe I'm biased because I did the promo track for TP's 3rd sample cd

I own all 3 sample cd's of Thomas Penton and I love it. unlike the VEH and VEC I've had.

I only like Vengeance's Minimal House, and I think it's worth checking out.

The penton stuff is better than vengeance but it seems he's limited or digitally clipped nearly every sample. i would prefer the samples dry. leaving any limiting to either myself or a mastering engineer.

On another note i have just been listening through a couple of my vengeance cds. Has anybody noticed just how much of the material is ripped straight from commercial tracks? I think this is very wrong and dishonest. I mean its one thing chopping up some beats and layering them over your own sounds but ripping complete loops exactly as they are on commercial tracks and selling them as a "vengeance" sample cd? thats a different matter and i guess highly illegal as well.

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Originally posted by dannib The penton stuff is better than vengeance but it seems he's limited or digitally clipped nearly every sample. i would prefer the samples dry. leaving any limiting to either myself or a mastering engineer. On another note i have just been listening through a couple of my vengeance cds. Has anybody noticed just how much of the material is ripped straight from commercial tracks? I think this is very wrong and dishonest. I mean its one thing chopping up some beats and layering them over your own sounds but ripping complete loops exactly as they are on commercial tracks and selling them as a "vengeance" sample cd? thats a different matter and i guess highly illegal as well.

No your wrong.

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No your wrong

What do you mean i'm wrong. What makes you think that? I can prove it if you really want me to? I can even prove that some of the sounds are lifted straight from old ueberschall cds as i have the original discs from years ago.

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Originally posted by dannib What do you mean i'm wrong. What makes you think that? I can prove it if you really want me to? I can even prove that some of the sounds are lifted straight from old ueberschall cds as i have the original discs from years ago.

Maybe, maybe not. I downloaded a euro dance refill online and i had the same exact sample in a sample pack from the thrillseekers website. Sample that are 2 seconds long it is way to hard to tell if they were stolen from one place or another.

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Originally posted by dannib What do you mean i'm wrong. What makes you think that? I can prove it if you really want me to? I can even prove that some of the sounds are lifted straight from old ueberschall cds as i have the original discs from years ago.

Yes, I'd really like you to prove this. I've seen people in other forums state they had absolute, definitive proof that Vengeance loops/samples are ripped from commercial songs. I always ask for the proof, they say they'll upload it that day....and they never post anything in that thread again.

Once again, please provide the proof. I'm still waiting.

i am talking mainly of the loops.

Alot of the single hits are obviously sampled as well as you can hear reverbs abrubtly cutoff, noise, hi hats etc within some samples but as you say, its very hard to tell where these have come from as the samples are too short.

Many of the loops are sampled straight from commercial dance tracks though with no further processing. I just dont understand how they get away with it? It says in their licensing agreement that everything is royalty free!

i believe its the other way around. people have used manuell schleisss samples in there tracks seeming it where theres. like blank and jones and prodigy used the same sample and everybody bashes blank and jones for stealing prodigy but it was a common sample on some gear they both had. like the fucking whoooop sound on early commercial hip hop (see will smith). Vengeance is true to the industry imo. not sure about this but as alot of music the last 5 years seems to be using the same samples (from vengeance) this seems to be the case.

@ derail. Wouldn't it be against the rules to post up proof here though? As i will have to include the vengeance loops as well as snippets of the original tracks their ripped. If you pm me, im sure i could sort something out

When you hear the rips i am sure you will be amazed though. I thought lots of people knew but were just turning a blind eye.

@ palm. Alot, if not most of the tracks im referring to were produced before the vengeance cds were released. Im more into house music these days so im mostly referring to the vengeance house collections. First of which wasn't released until the end of 2005.

So that covers that up

ok i only know club 1 which i think is around 2001-2, not sure tho.

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Originally posted by dannib The penton stuff is better than vengeance but it seems he's limited or digitally clipped nearly every sample. i would prefer the samples dry. leaving any limiting to either myself or a mastering engineer. On another note i have just been listening through a couple of my vengeance cds. Has anybody noticed just how much of the material is ripped straight from commercial tracks? I think this is very wrong and dishonest. I mean its one thing chopping up some beats and layering them over your own sounds but ripping complete loops exactly as they are on commercial tracks and selling them as a "vengeance" sample cd? thats a different matter and i guess highly illegal as well.

Yes you're right.

One reason I try to avoid vengeance where I can is the fact that the samples are over effected and chopped up too much. Theres no reverb tails or anything! The vengeance people aren't stupid, so I guess that they have pulled these samples from SOMEWHERE rather than building them themselves... I can't think of another reason why these artifacts would exist? I've also heard people say that they can hear vinyl crackle in some of them. Either way, I think the vengeance samples are cliched overused and too hard to use with the amount of effects...

Who knows, vengeance may have paid for the right to redistribute those samples, but I just hate the lack of flexibility.
On the other hand, I suspect the penton samples don't have the same variety, so not sure if thats a good option either.

I want to hear the examples that were in the ueberschall sample pack. For me that is the only real proof.

wow, lot of discussion about a simple a/b thread. I am pleased with the Penton samples i got anyway and i agree they sound a little dryer than thevengeance. A lot of the vengeance stuff seems to be overly reverbd and distorted. That isnt always bad if you are looking for ready to use sounds thoigh.


Another question: What cds are good if i am looking for Vocal snippets to use in progressive? And what loopmasters or ueberschall cd's do you people recomend?

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I want to hear the examples that were in the ueberschall sample pack. For me that is the only real proof

Why is this the only real proof?

So you don't think its proof that i can pick from the top of my head 30+ loops that are ripped directly from commercial tracks? These tracks being released before the vengeance cds? (even clubsounds 1 didn't come out until the very end of 2004)

There is also no way on earth that they would have got clearance for all those hundreds of rips. Do you really think they are going to spent a huge amount of time and money clearing samples? This could be prooved easily enough by simply contacting the original artists.

Some people just don't want to believe that they have shelled out a lot of money which contains a lot of dishonest material.

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