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Posted by Adam420 on Nov-07-2008 16:28:

Are Job Recruiters Really Cheap Nowadays?

So I've been checking Craigslist quite regularly for the past couple of months. Luckily I got a job last week but I'm still looking for something that pays better. But it seems that if you want to earn a decent salary while being employed by somebody else, you better be a good sales person and earn your commission, otherwise the chances of making a decent salary are slim.

What I mean is, do you think businesses could really only afford to pay the measly $9 or $10 an hour? If they paid 13 or 14, would it really cut into their revenues? For example, check out this posting:

Beginning at 15-20h per week but will grow.
Work involves basic computer work with Adobe Photoshop/Dreamweaver/Premiere, meeting with customers (at the office). Car is required to run some errands (few times a week). Must be able to read/write in French and English.

Pay is $10/hr. I mean fuck, if I'm gonna be asked to apply my photoshop/Dreamweaver skills (which I do have), and to run errands while having to have my own car, there is no fucking way I would settle for $10/hr. It seems to me like employers in Montreal are extremely cheap these days. I actually really regret leaving my last job, where I was earning over $14/hr, but fortunately was not for a regretful reason.


Posted by elFreak on Nov-07-2008 16:33:

With any entry level position (especially in sales) you have to bite the bullet and prove your worth to make more.

Do you have an education?
Do you have an experience level that dictates a higher salary?

Know how won't get you anywhere unless you prove it and have the references to back it up. It has nothing to do with Montreal, this is the same thing everywhere.

Also, you are using craiglist to job search.


Posted by Vermz on Nov-07-2008 16:33:

WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS DUDE


Posted by elFreak on Nov-07-2008 16:47:

also...go see a job recruiter (RANSTAD,QUANTUM,ADECO,MANPOWER etc...) If you want to make 14$ an hour they will find you a job in a warehouse right away at that salary.


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-07-2008 17:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Vermz
WE ARE IN AN ECONOMIC CRISIS DUDE



Posted by fullhouse on Nov-07-2008 19:27:

Re: Are Job Recruiters Really Cheap Nowadays?

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
So I've been checking Craigslist quite regularly for the past couple of months. Luckily I got a job last week but I'm still looking for something that pays better. But it seems that if you want to earn a decent salary while being employed by somebody else, you better be a good sales person and earn your commission, otherwise the chances of making a decent salary are slim.

What I mean is, do you think businesses could really only afford to pay the measly $9 or $10 an hour? If they paid 13 or 14, would it really cut into their revenues? For example, check out this posting:

Beginning at 15-20h per week but will grow.
Work involves basic computer work with Adobe Photoshop/Dreamweaver/Premiere, meeting with customers (at the office). Car is required to run some errands (few times a week). Must be able to read/write in French and English.

Pay is $10/hr. I mean fuck, if I'm gonna be asked to apply my photoshop/Dreamweaver skills (which I do have), and to run errands while having to have my own car, there is no fucking way I would settle for $10/hr. It seems to me like employers in Montreal are extremely cheap these days. I actually really regret leaving my last job, where I was earning over $14/hr, but fortunately was not for a regretful reason.


welcome to the real world, it seems you have taken the red pill


1st off buddy, you're in montreal, if you're looking 4 a job thats pays good, you can be lazy and go on craigslist, or you can go apply at the 927843197341896419 restaurants in the city.. anywhere, as long as you look human and you have ok social skills
busboys always make over 10$/hour considering tips at ANY restaurant that has respect for itself
once you get to know how things go, and when you're comfortable, include in your resume some cutting edge restaurants you actually didnt work at, and apply at a cutting edge restaurant. busboys in these restaurants make retarded tips still, 60$ min per shift ON TOP of the salary. if you're a fast learner, social cat, and you have the balls, you can even apply as a waiter in baller ass restaurants depending on how fast you learned. but let's not get ahead of ourselves..


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-07-2008 19:38:

Re: Re: Are Job Recruiters Really Cheap Nowadays?

quote:
Originally posted by fullhouse
welcome to the real world, it seems you have taken the red pill


1st off buddy, you're in montreal, if you're looking 4 a job thats pays good, you can be lazy and go on craigslist, or you can go apply at the 927843197341896419 restaurants in the city.. anywhere, as long as you look human and you have ok social skills
busboys always make over 10$/hour considering tips at ANY restaurant that has respect for itself
once you get to know how things go, and when you're comfortable, include in your resume some cutting edge restaurants you actually didnt work at, and apply at a cutting edge restaurant. busboys in these restaurants make retarded tips still, 60$ min per shift ON TOP of the salary. if you're a fast learner, social cat, and you have the balls, you can even apply as a waiter in baller ass restaurants depending on how fast you learned. but let's not get ahead of ourselves..



seriously

busboys in this city can make 200+ a night at a club


Posted by fullhouse on Nov-07-2008 19:45:

Re: Re: Re: Are Job Recruiters Really Cheap Nowadays?

quote:
Originally posted by Allied Nations
seriously

busboys in this city can make 200+ a night at a club


yeah but then its not a mainstream job anymore youre working till the am
adam was talking about office jobs 2 seconds ago


Posted by elFreak on Nov-07-2008 19:45:

it does not do much in the way of career progression though, which is ok if you want to be a bus boy for life. Sometimes taking a bit less money is worth it if it is something that has potential reward in the long term.


Posted by malek on Nov-07-2008 20:17:

dude you can make more selling crap at futureshop than 10$.


Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-07-2008 20:41:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
it does not do much in the way of career progression though, which is ok if you want to be a bus boy for life. Sometimes taking a bit less money is worth it if it is something that has potential reward in the long term.



i tell myself this everyday


Posted by fullhouse on Nov-07-2008 21:36:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
it does not do much in the way of career progression though, which is ok if you want to be a bus boy for life. Sometimes taking a bit less money is worth it if it is something that has potential reward in the long term.


true say yet it really depends on the perspective you have looking for a job.. i mean the restaurant business is imo the best student milieu for fast cash and social interaction, and there actually does give u progression opportunities, i mean, nobody stays a busboy for over a year and if he does, he shouldve understood a while back that this isnt his thing. you do become a waiter (and/or bartender), and again, depending on your performance and understanding of the structure of a restaurant, you will eventually hustle your way fast into becoming a manager. i know a significant amount of managers 40+ who have been in it, have a family, and plan on staying in it.


Posted by elFreak on Nov-07-2008 21:38:

the guy is looking for an office job therefore does not seem to be a student.

go get me another drink

how many bars, restaurants, and clubs do you think are open long enough to retire from.

*throws you a toonie*


Posted by fullhouse on Nov-07-2008 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
the guy is looking for an office job therefore does not seem to be a student.

go get me another drink

how many bars, restaurants, and clubs do you think are open long enough to retire from.

*throws you a toonie*


lol nonesense
i'm a student and have worked in various telemarketing/customer service inbound/outbound outsourced/in store offices. dont mean to bust your bubble but most of these positions are actually occupied by students.

you dont get promoted in one restaurant, you get promoted as a person.
if you become a manager, you're qualified as a manager. meaning you're eligible to take up a position for manager in a restaurant looking for a manager.
retiring hasn't anything to do with where you work... it's called a plan. to break it down, you put money aside. lol

*gives the toonie to the busboy*


Posted by Techo Head on Nov-08-2008 02:38:

Montreal needs a good techno DJ. Please apply within!


Posted by elFreak on Nov-08-2008 03:56:

quote:
Originally posted by fullhouse
lol nonesense
i'm a student and have worked in various telemarketing/customer service inbound/outbound outsourced/in store offices. dont mean to bust your bubble but most of these positions are actually occupied by students.

you dont get promoted in one restaurant, you get promoted as a person.
if you become a manager, you're qualified as a manager. meaning you're eligible to take up a position for manager in a restaurant looking for a manager.
retiring hasn't anything to do with where you work... it's called a plan. to break it down, you put money aside. lol

*gives the toonie to the busboy*


at 45 if you want to start all over even at the same salary, good for you.

the service industry is for young people, i don't care what you say.

at one point in life you will see that stability > gamble.

wait till you have kids.


Posted by fullhouse on Nov-08-2008 06:42:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
at 45 if you want to start all over even at the same salary, good for you.

the service industry is for young people, i don't care what you say.

at one point in life you will see that stability > gamble.

wait till you have kids.


you a father by any chance? :S :S


Posted by elFreak on Nov-08-2008 06:48:

soon...be afraid.


Posted by julien2 on Nov-11-2008 00:15:

For real ? So that's why the freak career is over lol !

Anyways, you want good money ? Get back to high school/cegep/college/university, whatever and get the degrees that will make you the guy 4 corporations fight over for. You're gonna eat kraft dinner for a few years while studying but education is an investment.

experience does not alway result in higher salary (depending on the field).

ex.:

In management, the young guy on his first job with a MBA gets hired by some corporation, has 0 experience, and will get paid same or even more than the 10-15-20+ years of experience middled-aged guy who started at the bottom of the ladder and worked his way up.

I know it sucks, but that's how it is. A friend of mine (cegep education) hates it when these young know-it-alls come in the office, 23-25 years old, and tell him what to do, and get paid better money. The fact is that they got that little piece of paper.

The system is based on knowledge knowadays. The old model (start at a company, spend your life there, work your way up the ladder) is gone.

None of the level-entry jobs get you good money. They get outsourced in India, where people will do it for 2$ a day.

If you want to stay competitive, make yourself invaluable. In this era, education, knowledge is power.


Posted by Fran666 on Nov-11-2008 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by julien2
For real ? So that's why the freak career is over lol !

Anyways, you want good money ? Get back to high school/cegep/college/university, whatever and get the degrees that will make you the guy 4 corporations fight over for. You're gonna eat kraft dinner for a few years while studying but education is an investment.

experience does not alway result in higher salary (depending on the field).

ex.:

In management, the young guy on his first job with a MBA gets hired by some corporation, has 0 experience, and will get paid same or even more than the 10-15-20+ years of experience middled-aged guy who started at the bottom of the ladder and worked his way up.

I know it sucks, but that's how it is. A friend of mine (cegep education) hates it when these young know-it-alls come in the office, 23-25 years old, and tell him what to do, and get paid better money. The fact is that they got that little piece of paper.

The system is based on knowledge knowadays. The old model (start at a company, spend your life there, work your way up the ladder) is gone.

None of the level-entry jobs get you good money. They get outsourced in India, where people will do it for 2$ a day.

If you want to stay competitive, make yourself invaluable. In this era, education, knowledge is power.


true... but passion rules all. Everything comes with it. Even the urge to learn.

be passionate about something, your life will be good


Posted by RayRayy on Nov-11-2008 02:01:

quote:
Originally posted by fullhouse
you a father by any chance? :S :S


I am....have a teenage daughter..she wants to work in the mall next year!! Which is a start for any young person. Builds your communication skills over time i always tell her. lol


Posted by RayRayy on Nov-11-2008 02:02:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
soon...be afraid.


r u serious?":?


Posted by Fran666 on Nov-11-2008 03:02:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
soon...be afraid.


papa el freak


Posted by DJ Charlie on Nov-11-2008 04:06:

At a job interview in engineering, I have been offered 38k/year.
"Hmmm Let me think about it...

No thank you !"


Posted by malek on Nov-11-2008 04:25:

engineering and IT are the worst fields to get into, there's no money to make, you'll top out at 100k of today's money in your career.


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