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Everybody in the world is related by marriage. A second cousin of yours might be a 5th cousin of someone else who is a 10th cousin of Michael Jackson. Technically, by marriage you are distant cousins.

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Originally posted by ******** not one person comments? I talked to someone from the islands today and they didn't beleive me.

You write something this moronic and you expect people to comment? I mean, tracing your bloodline all the way to a Greek deity? The drugs are frying your brain...

You really need to lay off the crack

Everyone's related if you're prepared to go back about 4,000 generations. If you go back 9 generations, we each have 512 great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents, who could each have 100s of modern decendants (albeit with some overlap). Depending on how isolated the history of our gene-pool has been, we're all almost certainly related (within just nine generations - the odds increase exponentially with each further generation you go back) to many, many famous people, both living and dead.

Nothing remarkable about that, it's just basic maths.

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Originally posted by Renegade Everyone's related if you're prepared to go back about 4,000 generations. If you go back 9 generations, we each have 512 great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents, who could each have 100s of modern decendants (albeit with some overlap). Depending on how isolated the history of our gene-pool has been, we're all almost certainly related (within just nine generations - the odds increase exponentially with each further generation you go back) to many, many famous people, both living and dead. Nothing remarkable about that, it's just basic maths.

Indeed, we're all one big dysfunctional family of crazy monkeys .

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Originally posted by Renegade Everyone's related if you're prepared to go back about 4,000 generations.

Well, weren't we all in Africa back then?

But, it seems you don't need to go too far. Still, I wonder how far back I need to go to find out I'm related to my fiancée, given the fact that most of our recent ancestors came from opposite parts of the same gigantic landmass...

I'd like to give a shoutout to all my fellow distant cousins who posted in this thread!

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Originally posted by Lira Well, weren't we all in Africa back then?

Well, exactly.

The date's pretty hard to pin down, but at some point in human history (most likely 100,000+ years ago, which would place it before the first human migrations out of Africa depending on which migration model you believe) there must have existed a woman from whom all human beings are directly decended. It's just a simple biological / mathematical necessity that all members of a species must be directly related to a single female and a single male (who would have lived much more recently than the female, incidentally), but it's still pretty amazing to think about.

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But, it seems you don't need to go too far. Still, I wonder how far back I need to go to find out I'm related to my fiancée, given the fact that most of our recent ancestors came from opposite parts of the same gigantic landmass...

Probably not too far, apparently, unless one of you is Polynesian and the other one African:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...netic_variation

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Originally posted by verndogs I'd like to give a shoutout to all my fellow distant cousins who posted in this thread!

The resemblance is uncanny!

Sup, cousin Verns!

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Originally posted by Renegade Well, exactly. The date's pretty hard to pin down, but at some point in human history (most likely 100,000+ years ago, which would place it before the first human migrations out of Africa depending on which migration model you believe) there must have existed a woman from whom all human beings are directly decended. It's just a simple biological / mathematical necessity that all members of a species must be directly related to a single female and a single male (who would have lived much more recently than the female, incidentally), but it's still pretty amazing to think about.

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Originally posted by Renegade Probably not too far, apparently, unless one of you is Polynesian and the other one African: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...netic_variation

Hahaha, nah, most of my family comes from the Mediterranean (I'm an Italo-Portuguese) and my fiancée's family came from Japan. As Cavalli-Sforza stresses in his book "Genes, Peoples and Languages" (good book if you're not a linguistic, and somewhat polemic if you are one ), Europeans are most closely related to East Asians, which I don't think is surprising.

So, if I still remember how to do mathematics, and if you ignore the existence of the Silk Road, the somewhat close relationship between Europe and India (English and Hindi are related languages, after all), the Mongolian Empire, the Portuguese (and Dutch) presence in Japan, and the populational chaos of West Asia in general, we may share a common ancestor who lived at most 16 hundred generations ago (i.e. when Europe was settled), that being the worst possible scenario.

...

Hooray for incestuous relationships

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Indeed, we're all one big dysfunctional family of crazy monkeys .

Speak for youself - Xenu is coming for you...(look busy)

and we are one...




here is an interesting tid bit:





did you know jesus was a jew??

I'm related to Sarah Palin. And Gandhi.

I don't understand why people care about their genealogical roots. What does that tell us about ourselves as individuals? Not much, perhaps as a group... which would reflect a bit about oneself as an individual depending on how much you embrace or reject from your cultural environment and in turn tells you a little about some aspects of yourself... and maybe a little bit about it's history which might help understand why certain cultural phenomenon exist, and why in that state. But that's really about it. I'm a descendant of Muhammad, the final and last Prophet according to Islam, since my tribal lineage comes from Zain-ul-Abidenn, the 13th Shi'ia Imam, who is a direct descendant and my blood line is just one of the many. You would imagine as a Muslim I might find this to be really "cool" and "fascinating" or something. Well, I don't. I think it's absolutely irrelevant and has absolutely nothing to do with me as an individual. I am in no way any better or worse than any other human on the planet. Point is... does it matter what your geneology is? I guess the only reason why it matter to most is since they cannot define themselves with out appropriating that identity through some external phenomenological factor or grouping.

In short, I'm just curious why you brought it up and what input you were expecting from anyone else?

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Originally posted by Renegade Well, exactly. The date's pretty hard to pin down, but at some point in human history (most likely 100,000+ years ago, which would place it before the first human migrations out of Africa depending on which migration model you believe) there must have existed a woman from whom all human beings are directly decended. It's just a simple biological / mathematical necessity that all members of a species must be directly related to a single female and a single male (who would have lived much more recently than the female, incidentally), but it's still pretty amazing to think about. Probably not too far, apparently, unless one of you is Polynesian and the other one African: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_a...netic_variation

That's really weird, because it implies the Adam / Eve mythology actually has an element of truth to it i.e. we all descend from one man and one woman. You seem like you've done your homework on the subject. Is that really the only theory regarding origin of the human race as a species? A single couple? Doesn't that also imply that's we're all technically incestuously inbred in a sense? I mean, keeping speciation in mind, that automatically eliminates any other possibilities.

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