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A&H vs. Pioneer. What do you recommend?

Hey i have been a bedroom dj for a while now and i am currently using a a Vestax vmc 004. Dont get me wrong, it was a great starter mixer but now i am having a few problems with it (i hear a slight distortion and crackeling noise when i adjust the low on my 2nd channel, and i feel like the sound is dropping out when it shouldnt be) but now i am looking to upgrade after a few years of usage.
I am debating between Pioneer and A&H. I know that the xone 92 is the ultimate choice over any other current mixer (that is debateable sure) but i dont have $1800 + to spend. I am looking at a budget between $800-$1200.
So i have been looking at the xone 62 ($1300) or 42 ($900). I dont know what the difference is. I dont have much experience on A&H.
And i have also been looking at the DJM-600 ($800) or 700($1300). Or.. Just wait a while and save an extra $800 or so to buy a xone 92 (this is probably what you will think is best but it will take me a while longer to make this purchase and idk if i can wait that much longer)
I know there have been alot of threads with the same questions about about upgrades, but sorry i had to make one more..
Any Suggestions?
cheers.

http://www.djforums.com/content/200...xone-92-review/

I personally wouldn't get the 700. If you really can't wait, then buy the 42. It has pretty much everything you need and you won't need to upgrade for a while. I think A&H might upgrade the 92 next year so you also might wanna ask around. If you can wait and save a bit more (the 800 is a bit cheaper than the 92) buy the 800.

This is from a 92 owner.

I had a similliar "dilemma" but now, almost a year after making my choice im more happy than ever.
It was between DJM-800 or A&H92 / A&H 42.

I choosed the 800th, because i want efx, couldnt live without em, and it would be to expensive for me to get the 92 and a efx1000.
Then the only advantage to have thoes two, would be that you have an extra mid eq. Not worth it.
And then i find out that hooking up an efx 1000 to a&h92 is not the easiest thing either.

But then i could get the cheaper 42 and hook up a efx and the price would be almost as a new djm800.
The filter system of a&h is the best in the world, no doubt but also.. that is almost the only advantage they have + their analogue sound. But its a good solution.

But i wanted all in one, so i found djm800 more "priceworth" and im very happy with it.. it has increadibly good sound aswell and great efx.

But if i could one day i would have to different setups.. one with djm800 and one with a&h92

A&H, no contest there...

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Originally posted by Lucas-K Hey i have been a bedroom dj for a while now and i am currently using a a Vestax vmc 004. Dont get me wrong, it was a great starter mixer but now i am having a few problems with it (i hear a slight distortion and crackeling noise when i adjust the low on my 2nd channel, and i feel like the sound is dropping out when it shouldnt be) but now i am looking to upgrade after a few years of usage. I am debating between Pioneer and A&H. I know that the xone 92 is the ultimate choice over any other current mixer (that is debateable sure) but i dont have $1800 + to spend. I am looking at a budget between $800-$1200. So i have been looking at the xone 62 ($1300) or 42 ($900). I dont know what the difference is. I dont have much experience on A&H. And i have also been looking at the DJM-600 ($800) or 700($1300). Or.. Just wait a while and save an extra $800 or so to buy a xone 92 (this is probably what you will think is best but it will take me a while longer to make this purchase and idk if i can wait that much longer) I know there have been alot of threads with the same questions about about upgrades, but sorry i had to make one more.. Any Suggestions? cheers.

I recently bought a new Xone 62 for a little under $800 shipped. I'm sure you can get better prices than what you are posting.

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Originally posted by Zild I recently bought a new Xone 62 for a little under $800 shipped. I'm sure you can get better prices than what you are posting.

How do you like the 62? and where did you get it from?

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Originally posted by TranceOwnsLol http://www.djforums.com/content/200...xone-92-review/ I personally wouldn't get the 700. If you really can't wait, then buy the 42. It has pretty much everything you need and you won't need to upgrade for a while. I think A&H might upgrade the 92 next year so you also might wanna ask around. If you can wait and save a bit more (the 800 is a bit cheaper than the 92) buy the 800. This is from a 92 owner.

How is the sound quality between the djm 800 and the 42?
Good find on the contest man. From what they talk about, it seems like the 800 is the better mixer. Even though it ended in a tie. I know they compared the 92 between the 800 but how would the 42 compare to the 800?

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Originally posted by andresi I had a similliar "dilemma" but now, almost a year after making my choice im more happy than ever. It was between DJM-800 or A&H92 / A&H 42. I choosed the 800th, because i want efx, couldnt live without em, and it would be to expensive for me to get the 92 and a efx1000. Then the only advantage to have thoes two, would be that you have an extra mid eq. Not worth it. And then i find out that hooking up an efx 1000 to a&h92 is not the easiest thing either. But then i could get the cheaper 42 and hook up a efx and the price would be almost as a new djm800. The filter system of a&h is the best in the world, no doubt but also.. that is almost the only advantage they have + their analogue sound. But its a good solution. But i wanted all in one, so i found djm800 more "priceworth" and im very happy with it.. it has increadibly good sound aswell and great efx. But if i could one day i would have to different setups.. one with djm800 and one with a&h92

Ya that is true. I was also thinking of getting an EFX-500/1000 but the djm 800 would pretty much cover the effects i would need. But the 42 with EFX would be cool. I have heard alot about the good filter system on A&H but is that realy its only biggest selling point? besides good sound quality and the scond mid freq

For those interested in the Xone:92, I was looking around recently and the lowest price I found was less than $1400 (linear faders).

I'm probably not allowed to post the exact price or the place that's selling, but the place is in the NE region of the US. I know that's quite a ways away from 'Portland Fucking Oregon', but hey, AGI ProDJ is out there (and everyone in the middle is screwed).

I'm not sure if they're an authorized dealer or not, but they do seem to move a bunch of merchandise. And for those who are wondering, it's NOT DJdeals.com. PM me if you absolutely must know or something.

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Originally posted by AnomalyConcept For those interested in the Xone:92, I was looking around recently and the lowest price I found was less than $1400 (linear faders). I'm probably not allowed to post the exact price or the place that's selling, but the place is in the NE region of the US. I know that's quite a ways away from 'Portland Fucking Oregon', but hey, AGI ProDJ is out there (and everyone in the middle is screwed). I'm not sure if they're an authorized dealer or not, but they do seem to move a bunch of merchandise. And for those who are wondering, it's NOT DJdeals.com. PM me if you absolutely must know or something.

haha ya "portland fuckin oregon" is a little ways away. Is AGIprodj.com going to have prices similar to this "place" in the NE region?

A&H owns pioneer hands down in terms of sound and stability, but pioneer comes into it's own if you know how to work effects etc. Depends on your style and what you are looking for.

Cheers
Nem

I am a proud owner of a djm800 and honestly all I can say is WOW! The thing is perfect. It's comfortable, sounds amazing, everything is where it needs to be. I have played on A&H mixers b4 and I must say I'm not a big fan of them.

The Allen & Heath Xone62 is awesome. A friend of mine wanted to borrow my gear so lent his mixer to me in return.

I like to try & mix really smoothly & on my usual mixer I found the bass is delivered too strong I always feel it's obvious when the incoming track is being introduced, sometimes it's as if the bass is either on or off with not much in between None of this with the Xone62, the EQ's & sliders are very smooth & are very forgiving "in the mix", plus with 2 mid EQ's I can ease the track in really smoothly on the Xone to give much tidier transitions.

I've not had it long so I've not had chance to find every plus or minus about it yet. The filters are pretty wild but there's not as much variety as I'm used to on my Pio gear. One thing that irritates me slightly is sometimes you press a button to switch it on (ie turn on a channel when cueing) but other times you press the button to turn it off (ie the filters). I've fcuked up a few times on this but it's just something I'll get used to after a while so no big deal, just me being a muppet

Overall I love the Xone62 & won't be reminding my mate he's still got my gear any time soon I've lent him my Pio DJM909 & EFX1000, dunno what he makes of em yet. Overall I've got to say I think I prefer the Xone. Having said that my mate who's mixer it is is a reasonably well known DJ (spins internationally) & he reckons the DJM800 is where it's at... There are more whistles & bells FX wise on the DJM700 & 800 than the Xone62.

Only way you will know for sure is to get your hands on them all at your local DJ equipment emporium

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Originally posted by Nemesis44 A&H owns pioneer hands down in terms of sound and stability, but pioneer comes into it's own if you know how to work effects etc. Depends on your style and what you are looking for. Cheers Nem

Ya true and i can always pick up a EFX-500 later down the road for 300USD if i want to used effects

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Originally posted by Trance Android The Allen & Heath Xone62 is awesome. A friend of mine wanted to borrow my gear so lent his mixer to me in return. I like to try & mix really smoothly & on my usual mixer I found the bass is delivered too strong I always feel it's obvious when the incoming track is being introduced, sometimes it's as if the bass is either on or off with not much in between None of this with the Xone62, the EQ's & sliders are very smooth & are very forgiving "in the mix", plus with 2 mid EQ's I can ease the track in really smoothly on the Xone to give much tidier transitions. I've not had it long so I've not had chance to find every plus or minus about it yet. The filters are pretty wild but there's not as much variety as I'm used to on my Pio gear. One thing that irritates me slightly is sometimes you press a button to switch it on (ie turn on a channel when cueing) but other times you press the button to turn it off (ie the filters). I've fcuked up a few times on this but it's just something I'll get used to after a while so no big deal, just me being a muppet Overall I love the Xone62 & won't be reminding my mate he's still got my gear any time soon I've lent him my Pio DJM909 & EFX1000, dunno what he makes of em yet. Overall I've got to say I think I prefer the Xone. Having said that my mate who's mixer it is is a reasonably well known DJ (spins internationally) & he reckons the DJM800 is where it's at... There are more whistles & bells FX wise on the DJM700 & 800 than the Xone62. Only way you will know for sure is to get your hands on them all at your local DJ equipment emporium

Ya man i am having the same probelm with my mixer. iT is so obvious when im introducing a new track. the bass alsways seems louder when i introduce a new track, no matter how much i turn the low down. And if the A&H does deliver smoother transitions, then that is something to def keep in mind. As far as your friend, i wouldnt remind him either . But yes the djm-800 does look like a fanstastic mixer as well. It seems like a 50-50 opinion between dj's on TA and others. The thing is though, even though the A&H might lack some effects which is pretty important to me, I can always pick up a EFX-500 which is only like $300 dollars if i find a good deal on ebay , craiglist ect. So that and a xone 62 is still gonna be less than a djm-800, so that is something to keep in mind as well. IDK it seems like 50-50 between alot of people so i will just try to find a store that sells both. So idk if you or anyone else would know, but what is the main diff between a xone 62 and 42?

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Originally posted by Dj Gracjan I am a proud owner of a djm800 and honestly all I can say is WOW! The thing is perfect. It's comfortable, sounds amazing, everything is where it needs to be. I have played on A&H mixers b4 and I must say I'm not a big fan of them.

Asking a proud 800 owner, what about the xone did you not like? was it just the layout of the xone compared to the 800? i know that the pioneer 800 delivers more effects which is also a plus in my opinion, but what main differences did you notice? and what did you not like?

Honestly its whichever mixer makes you feel more comfortable. They are the standards albeit the Pioneer is a little more universal. Sans why so many people like the A&H. Not everywhere has it and uses it and it makes people feel different then everyone else.

Theyre both superb. Albeit ive used nothing but Pioneer since I started DJing so I am partial to them.

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Originally posted by Lucas-K Asking a proud 800 owner, what about the xone did you not like? was it just the layout of the xone compared to the 800? i know that the pioneer 800 delivers more effects which is also a plus in my opinion, but what main differences did you notice? and what did you not like?

Maybe because I haven't had a lot of experience with them, but I was not a fan of the 4 band EQ. I didn't really see a point to it, but like mentioned i only used A&H mixers 5 times at most. I just didn't really feel comfortable on it as I do on the 800.
Another thing that pissed me off was that when I hooked up RCA from the mixer to my amp I couldn't really make the speakers bang out as loud as I wanted them. Seems like the only way to get real loud sound was to hookup to PA speakers. Unless I missed something, but I don't think I did?

I strongly recommend (if possible) going to a music store and trying to rent them out to see for yourself. If that is not possible maybe chill with some friends who might have the mixers.

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Originally posted by Dj Gracjan Maybe because I haven't had a lot of experience with them, but I was not a fan of the 4 band EQ. I didn't really see a point to it, but like mentioned i only used A&H mixers 5 times at most. I just didn't really feel comfortable on it as I do on the 800. Another thing that pissed me off was that when I hooked up RCA from the mixer to my amp I couldn't really make the speakers bang out as loud as I wanted them. Seems like the only way to get real loud sound was to hookup to PA speakers. Unless I missed something, but I don't think I did? I strongly recommend (if possible) going to a music store and trying to rent them out to see for yourself. If that is not possible maybe chill with some friends who might have the mixers.

RCA out is used for recording on Xones.

You'll need to use the XLRs or 1/4" for main sound output. (or get RCA adapters)

For bedroom DJs, really doesn't matter whether you get pios or xone, but in clubs, I find xones do sound better. 4 band eq thing you just need to get used to them.

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Originally posted by Lucas-K Asking a proud 800 owner, what about the xone did you not like? was it just the layout of the xone compared to the 800? i know that the pioneer 800 delivers more effects which is also a plus in my opinion, but what main differences did you notice? and what did you not like?

What i love about the DJM-800 is the design.. it's so basic and simple but still its a very advanced mixer with great sound and feeling.
Unfortnately i cant say the same about xone92.. about design. It looks much more difficult to use and not so easy to understand as djm800.

Also the cue/pre-listening system is different.. but i thank its a matter of getting just to it.

If you ask me xone92/62 is more like an studio mixer with its aux solutions. If you gonnna hook up an efx you'l have to go from the efx to your speakers.. Routing the efx through Xone is difficult!
I would get the 42 that has send/return and the awesome filter and sound aswell.

Some time after i got the djm800 i really wondered if i should choose the xone instead but now im more happy than ever. Mainly because i dont need such an expensive mixer at home, and i have booth efx and filter on the 800. And almost in every place i work they have djm800.

I love the warm and analogue sound + filter on xone mixers.. but il say it again, djm800 = you get more for the price

sorry for my english typing..

A&H all the way

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Originally posted by Dj Gracjan I am a proud owner of a djm800 and honestly all I can say is WOW! The thing is perfect. It's comfortable, sounds amazing, everything is where it needs to be. I have played on A&H mixers b4 and I must say I'm not a big fan of them.

Sounds amazing? I guess you have never heard a good sounding mixer before.

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Originally posted by Brades Sounds amazing? I guess you have never heard a good sounding mixer before.

You think A&H sounds better? how does the 42 sound compare to others models of allen and heath?

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Originally posted by Brades Sounds amazing? I guess you have never heard a good sounding mixer before.

even if it does (which it might?) I'm not some crazy sound specialist, but either way I'm sure it's not heavily beater. Either way I connect my cdj's digital and for me that does everything plus some to what I want it to do. I'm totally not saying the Xone's are bad, but they just don't fit my style of djing. As stated above the djm8 is really straight forward yet brings a lot to the table, the xone's are not so straight forward if you ask me and don't bring effects, but some wicked filters.

I believe it's all about personal preference

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Originally posted by Dj Gracjan I believe it's all about personal preference

No. It's all about the frequency range, distortion and S\N ratio.

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