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Mastering on the Bassline

I just finished my first full tune and have everything mastered pretty much the way I want it.
The only problem left is the bassline.

In 99% of professional and released tunes, the bassline has this fatness and power that I just cant seem to get on my track.
I've used Ozone to marginal success in getting that sound, however it's still lacking.

To me, it sounds like in pro tunes, the bassline is centered, but there's certain frequencies which are REALLY powerful (it sounds like the sub or 120Hz and below) and upfront but also sound very wide and away from the rest of the tune.

Any tips for getting that deeeeep resonant FAT bass to stand out in the track without getting muddy?

think i sorted it.

got basslane vst as recommended from the free vst thread

seems like the problem was that the bassline sub frequencies were too wide and therefore lost their force but when i squashed the whole bassline channel, the dynamics of the mids were lost. basslane sounds to have solved that problem by only monoing the deep freqs while leaving the mids alone.

good stuff.

There is also this stereo > mono mixtool

http://www.lesliesanford.com/VSTEff...Tightener.shtml

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Originally posted by flutlicht junky There is also this stereo > mono mixtool http://www.lesliesanford.com/VSTEff...Tightener.shtml

i'll check that one out as well.
thanks!

interesting

you guys know if theirs anything like that for a mac in AU format for logic?

If you would like to post up a sample we might be able to help you a little more.

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Originally posted by pwnage1 If you would like to post up a sample we might be able to help you a little more.

it's ok, i got it thanks

just needed a tighter resolution on the bass mono-ing.
fixed it right up.

compress + eq

camelphat is practically made for fat basses

hm still not getting the sound i'm looking for actually.
i think Mr. Ross has the right idea. i tried layering 2 basses, one centered, and one split full right and full left with various fx to give it more space, but it still sounds really flat.
here's an example of what i'm trying to achieve:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/t4win2

im trying like mad to get that fat wide resonance in the low end but i'm missing something.
in the sample, i can hear the two basses, there's the mid-range one (sounds a bit widened?), and then the really deep and wide one that generally follows the same melody.
can't figure how to get that key resonance and separation in the low end.

here's my effort:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/utbxr8

in this i have 2 basses, the lower of which is split full left and right, but still sounds flat and centered without that forceful resonance that's in the other clip.

any help?

It's starting to sound like this may be an issue of your source sounds. I could take a look at a patch for you if your using reason or v station, vanguard etc.

Also, it could be your asdr. I know with v-station if you move the release slider up just a little so you cant even notice the release is any longer it some how makes the bass deeper. Idk if its just some weird glitch with fl studio because i have no rational explanation.

Hopefully, some other members will provide you with some solution as i am not the most experienced.

I'm always layering 2 or 3 basslines (low/mid-high/high) and always keep them in the middle of the mix. What could do the trick is put some noise on the mid bassline, it give's a nice high-end sizzle ..

What also works is giving the subbass some extra punch around the 60-80hz, be carefull with your kick though!

edit: as pwnage1 said, it could also be your source sounds that are wrong.
You can also use some FM modulation to get a fatter sound on the bass

thanks for the tips guys!
i figured it out last night

part of the problem IS my source sounds, but i figured out how to get the wide dynamics i was looking for.

i just routed the bass i wanted to a new fx channel, inverted one of the stereo channels, and applied a bit of delay (fruity stereo enhancer works great for this). i also tweaked stereo separation a bit so it didnt fly all over the field.

worked nicely!

now i just have to work on eqing and getting the rights source sounds.
that big stereo effect gets annoying if the sounds arent right.

Effects can make any lead, pad etc sound pretty decent (for the most part). But bass is mostly about the source sound.

Yeh honestly bass is what I find myself putting the littlest work into it. I just find something thick and fat and make sure nothing is intefering.
I agree sound source is important for bass. I'd never used Nexus. Vanguard or V-Station for bass. For various reasons (ie: nexus has limited filter as its sample based not synth)

I love z3ta, hypersonic and sometimes pro-53. But the wonderful thing with basses is at that pitch everything in the sound gets thicker and grittier. As opposed to leads the higher the pitch the thinner and less gritty the sound.

But I agree most of its sound source/compression/isolation and a bit of equal. That bass in the sample doesn't even sound compressed either imo.

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Originally posted by kadomony hm still not getting the sound i'm looking for actually. i think Mr. Ross has the right idea. i tried layering 2 basses, one centered, and one split full right and full left with various fx to give it more space, but it still sounds really flat. here's an example of what i'm trying to achieve: http://www.sendspace.com/file/t4win2 im trying like mad to get that fat wide resonance in the low end but i'm missing something. in the sample, i can hear the two basses, there's the mid-range one (sounds a bit widened?), and then the really deep and wide one that generally follows the same melody. can't figure how to get that key resonance and separation in the low end. here's my effort: http://www.sendspace.com/file/utbxr8 in this i have 2 basses, the lower of which is split full left and right, but still sounds flat and centered without that forceful resonance that's in the other clip. any help?

Missed this thread at the time, but just wanted to say I think the track your working on sounds really good. I like the feeling of space between the elements, their separation, and the choices of sounds.

What reverbs are you using out of interest and have you used any stereo widening FX?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Missed this thread at the time, but just wanted to say I think the track your working on sounds really good. I like the feeling of space between the elements, their separation, and the choices of sounds. What reverbs are you using out of interest and have you used any stereo widening FX?

Thanks
I'm not at my production computer but in that sample I believe used the native reverb in Nexus along with Waves TrueVerb and Fruity Reverb.
The only widening FX I used was the channel separation knob in Fruity.

I decided a really wide bass sound wouldn't fit this tune so I'm keeping it in phase.

Experimented with the wide sound in this new thing:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/daa1h3

Used Fruity Stereo Enhancer to widen the low bass on a couple notes.

making your bassline sound fat has more to do with the mixing of the other elements. you need to leave "room" for it. some plugin isn't really gonna fix it if you haven't properly mixed the song.

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