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Posted by nefardec on Nov-13-2008 03:22:

boots of boots

fair game?

Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-13-2008 04:17:

everything is fair game

Posted by nefardec on Nov-13-2008 04:24:

well not soulseek lol

i mean the issue is - if someone takes the time to make a unique bootleg for his sets, and then that boot gets passed around without that person knowing, it might be considered a low blow, esp. if that boot may see release in the future

Posted by Allied Nations on Nov-13-2008 05:19:

In my eyes if you have it, you should be able to modify it and tweak it in whatever way you want.

If you have something exclusive that you want to stay exclusive, you should be pretty careful who you send it to.

I'm not condoning piracy, but once something has entered the giant data pool, you gotta do what you gotta do.

And while I know copyright issues are much more hardcore in the states, if you are really transforming a work... it should be fair game IMO

Posted by nefardec on Nov-13-2008 05:34:

i guess more than copyright i am more concerned with 'credibility' or 'integrity' , as far as your peers go.

anyone else have thoughts?

Posted by Clovis on Nov-13-2008 06:16:

My thing is usually, if I can't get it through the correct means, I won't play it.

Theres plenty of music out there so that this hasn't been too much of an issue for me.

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 17:15:

i steal accapella's because 99/100 they are not really legal.

Posted by Nemesis44 on Nov-13-2008 18:50:

Looking away from the copyright infringement aspect... Sure I would play it. If this person has made it and given it to someone then surely they would expect people to play it?

If I make a remix or re-edit I am happy with and want to be unique I don't give it to anyone else until such a time that the track is done and dusted.

If someone gives me something I will play it if I like it. That said, if they asked me not to play it then I would respect their wishes.

Cheers
Nem

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 19:04:

i would also say that considering the amount of money i know you invest into music (directed at nefardec),it distances you from the people many would consider as the cancer of the music industry. It does not make you free of the piracy label, but it certainly is much easier to swallow from my view point because you are one of those who supports the artists that make it all possible...something that is not as common as it should be

Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 19:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis
My thing is usually, if I can't get it through the correct means, I won't play it.

Theres plenty of music out there so that this hasn't been too much of an issue for me.

yeah this is easy when playing minimal but with outstanding tracks theres another issue. tho boots usualy aint.

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 19:43:

the quicker you realize that clovis does not really play minimal, the quicker you will stop failing so hard.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 19:51:

i said nothing about what he plays, as ive only listened to a few of his sets i realy dont know. i just said its easier finding tracks to fill up a minimal set legaly, than with tracks with vocals and outstanding samples and shit.

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 19:54:

blame the genre you listen to for not doing anything spectacular then.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 19:59:

quote:
Originally posted by elFreak
blame the genre you listen to for not doing anything spectacular then.

lol blame what for what? think we are through here.

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 20:02:

if you are making the assumption that the only outstanding tracks available are only through illegal means, i would like to think that you are only looking for an excuse not to pay for music.

try giving reasons? i don't see any from you yet.

Posted by Zak McKracken on Nov-13-2008 20:12:

ive payd my share of dough on vinyl through the years but stopped a few years ago as it was becoming more and more dificult to find good vinyls and the technical issues with getting them here (customs VAT, delays and shit) as well as money and free time situation changed, and i also stopped djeing. tho i still buy mp3 singles from time to time but I miss a better offer on full albums as this is what interest me most. If I could buy a full mix album as one big mp3 i def would, there are plenty of good music out there for me eventho im not fond of minimal and electro. techno is still going strong but alot of the great ones are dificult to get my hands on. its all outstanding and spectacular and i try to get it by all means neccesary.

Posted by nefardec on Nov-13-2008 20:34:

confession:

i played a boot of the luciano bootleg of sinnerman out - the set came out pretty well and now i'm hitting myself for it because i want to share it

i'd do a little fade out over that track so that no one hears it but those who were there, but it just fits so well i can't bring myself to do it

i've got nothing but respect for people like luciano that are making these boots to keep their sets fresh and unique, so I don't want to detract from that by releasing a set with that track in it.

but it's some fucking good music and it went down reallllly well and I don't regret playing it at all.

it's mainly the recording that i have a problem with

Posted by elFreak on Nov-13-2008 20:40:

self promotion is a very touchy subject, i agree.