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Posted by Adam420 on Nov-14-2008 18:27:

Why no CD EPs?

I've been thnking, why are CD EPs so few and far between nowadays, if even available at all? I remember back in the late 1990's, early 2000's I'd use to go into the record store and pick up 3 or 4 EPs at $5 a pop, it was great. I always thought this was a great format, especially when the price was around $5 or $6 a pop. What happened to the CD EP?


Posted by elFreak on Nov-14-2008 18:42:

it is more expensive to produce and there less profit margin than just using one of the abundant digital sites. There are still releases promo'd this way, but not as much as before.

With vinyl they have no choice because of the medium used to play them, cdj dj's can make their own cd's easily.


Posted by leebates1986 on Nov-14-2008 18:46:

only real things you see now are CDM's


Posted by skip on Nov-14-2008 19:27:

CDs are fucking dead, sadly.

i have about 1100 CDs (mostly singles, maxis and EPs), but i haven't bought much in the past few years as there's nothing available!
now i buy downloads instead and sometimes the occasional old CD or vinyl.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-14-2008 19:39:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
CDs are fucking dead, sadly.


From a DJing perspective. I'm pretty sure the CD remains the format of choice for mix compilations, and most artist albums too.


Posted by skip on Nov-14-2008 20:25:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
From a DJing perspective. I'm pretty sure the CD remains the format of choice for mix compilations, and most artist albums too.


maybe. should have specified, that i meant CD singles, maxis and EPs as that's what the original poster is apparently talking about.


Posted by Fledz on Nov-16-2008 06:48:

CDJShop still sells them though it's mainly trance oriented.


Posted by skip on Nov-16-2008 11:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
CDJShop still sells them though it's mainly trance oriented.


they're just burned CD-Rs with fancy graphics printed though.


Posted by thoughtlessjex on Nov-16-2008 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
From a DJing perspective. I'm pretty sure the CD remains the format of choice for mix compilations, and most artist albums too.

Even albums are really starting to go the way of the Dodo. From a mass consumer perspective, the notion of an album is really inconvenient and almost prohibitively expensive if you're only interested in one or two tracks. Now that people have the option to just buy that one song online, albums are slowly waning in utility. There's still a market for them as media for compilations and cohesive artistic concept projects, but that's always been a rather obscure market in the pop music industry.

Although it probably explains why "Indie" music has become so popular with big labels these days; the tendency for a self-proclaimed Indie band to produce a concept album is higher than for a rapper or Pop idol.

So yeah, there's my requisite cynicism for the day.


Posted by Fledz on Nov-16-2008 22:24:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
they're just burned CD-Rs with fancy graphics printed though.


As opposed to?


Posted by skip on Nov-16-2008 22:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
As opposed to?


to proper CD singles, maxis and EPs.


Posted by Adam420 on Nov-16-2008 22:44:

I just remembered, I was so anal about making sure that the side of the CD that's printed on is the side that's facing you when you turn the package around (to its back). Was anybody else like this? lol it's the most insignificant thing in the world but I just remembered it and was wondering if anybody else was/is the same.


Posted by Fledz on Nov-16-2008 23:14:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
to proper CD singles, maxis and EPs.

That's what I mean though. What's the difference between them?
You still get EPs, Singles and Samplers


Posted by skip on Nov-16-2008 23:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
That's what I mean though. What's the difference between them?
You still get EPs, Singles and Samplers


what's the difference if you buy the wavs and burn them yourself and print the graphics?


Posted by Fledz on Nov-16-2008 23:25:

Well nothing but are they not the same as before?

Is your whole point that back in the day you couldn't get wavs from download so you HAD to buy CD/Vinyl?

Otherwise the CDs are exactly the same. As are the vinyls, though they are much rarer.


Posted by skip on Nov-16-2008 23:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
Well nothing but are they not the same as before?

Is your whole point that back in the day you couldn't get wavs from download so you HAD to buy CD/Vinyl?

Otherwise the CDs are exactly the same. As are the vinyls, though they are much rarer.



no, they are not exactly the same. they have the same data, but they really aren't exactly the same. from my experience i'd say the cd-r releases are of much worse quality in every way than normally produced cds. i have loads of both and would always rather pay more for a proper cd than a cd-r.

i'm currently ripping all my cds in a lossless format and guess which kinds of cds are giving me the most trouble so far? cd-rs or normal cds? the artwork on normal cds is much better quality too than on cd-r releases. some cd-r release graphics are even printed with inkjets or something and aren't thus waterproof.

so even though when the cd is new, there's no difference in the data between a cd and a cd-r release (or a wav file even), there's definitely a difference between the two.


Posted by Adam420 on Nov-17-2008 01:06:

I'm sure that has something to do with the production process where for commercial purposes the way in which the images are burned onto the CD is of much higher quality than that of burning a CD using one's own PC/laptop.


Posted by GrimReaper on Nov-17-2008 02:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
I'm sure that has something to do with the production process where for commercial purposes the way in which the images are burned onto the CD is of much higher quality than that of burning a CD using one's own PC/laptop.

Professionally produced CDs aren't actually burned at all, they are mechanically pressed by punching little gaps (pits) on an aluminium layer of the disc.


Posted by goodtime on Nov-17-2008 02:13:

To the thread starter. I will put out CD EP'S just for you my friend.


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-17-2008 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by GrimReaper
Professionally produced CDs aren't actually burned at all, they are mechanically pressed by punching little gaps (pits) on an aluminium layer of the disc.

Never knew this. Interesting.


Posted by Adam420 on Nov-17-2008 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by GrimReaper
Professionally produced CDs aren't actually burned at all, they are mechanically pressed by punching little gaps (pits) on an aluminium layer of the disc.


Well there you go!


Posted by Fledz on Nov-17-2008 05:47:

quote:
Originally posted by skip
no, they are not exactly the same. they have the same data, but they really aren't exactly the same. from my experience i'd say the cd-r releases are of much worse quality in every way than normally produced cds. i have loads of both and would always rather pay more for a proper cd than a cd-r.

i'm currently ripping all my cds in a lossless format and guess which kinds of cds are giving me the most trouble so far? cd-rs or normal cds? the artwork on normal cds is much better quality too than on cd-r releases. some cd-r release graphics are even printed with inkjets or something and aren't thus waterproof.

so even though when the cd is new, there's no difference in the data between a cd and a cd-r release (or a wav file even), there's definitely a difference between the two.

Yes true, I'm not arguing with there. I just want to know why you think that CDs available directly from the labels through a medium such as CDJShop aren't "properly" pressed but rather just cheap CD-Rs?


Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Nov-17-2008 06:16:

Probably because a CD burner is less expensive than a "real" CD press.


Posted by skip on Nov-17-2008 07:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Fledz
Yes true, I'm not arguing with there. I just want to know why you think that CDs available directly from the labels through a medium such as CDJShop aren't "properly" pressed but rather just cheap CD-Rs?


because anyone with a CD from cdjshop can see that i's just a cheap CD-R and not a proper commercially pressed CD. i really don't understand what you're arguing with me about.


Posted by Fledz on Nov-17-2008 07:45:

I wasn't arguing with you at all. Just wanting you to clarify. You did, but like 5 posts later.


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