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i have a query at current i use fl 7xxl witch is used for all areas off making my tracks.
now my issue is this when it comes to the final mixdown ie making sure the track is at its best before sending over to mp3.
would i be better off sending my components over to a diffrent daw?
because the mixer in fl seems shit.
and even thoe my final productions are good i feal fl does'nt do it any favors.

i have reaper and acid pro 6 now as well
so any clues?

I've used various iterations of cubase, logic and FL. I get the best results I've ever had from FL8. I think the new colimeric appearance parametric EQ in FL8 is excellent and gives you complete control over the dynamics of the master.

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Originally posted by Prototrance I've used various iterations of cubase, logic and FL. I get the best results I've ever had from FL8. I think the new colimeric appearance parametric EQ in FL8 is excellent and gives you complete control over the dynamics of the master.

yeah ive been told fl8 the best out there at the mo but me aint got fl8 so.

u could render all your channels to wav and put it inside a diferent wav just to somehow start with fresh sheets again, eqing, compressing, panning leveling like a phase two in the production. i have rarely done this but just started thinking about it making my music in reason, rendering importing to logic and try mixing there.

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Originally posted by palm u could render all your channels to wav and put it inside a diferent wav just to somehow start with fresh sheets again, eqing, compressing, panning leveling like a phase two in the production. i have rarely done this but just started thinking about it making my music in reason, rendering importing to logic and try mixing there.

yeah makes sence as i said i have acid pro 6 now to and my thinking was once ive made the tune in fl lay down the wav files in acid and take it from there.

it just comes down to which company wants to spend the money on R & D for better algorithms in the program. im not sure how the new fruity loops is, but with 4 and 6 which i previously used, the rendering engine sucked. that doesnt mean you cant make it sound good, but if you export everything to wave and mix it down somewhere else, it would probably sound a bit better. just be sure to encode the multitracks as the highest quality (like 24bit 44.1) so you dont have to dither the tracks more than once.

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Originally posted by hadi ****** if you export everything to wave and mix it down somewhere else, it would probably sound a bit better.

No.

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Originally posted by Eldritch No.

why not? if you export it dry and uncompressed?

What you are reffering to is summing. I personally cannot tell the difference between something summed in cubase, logic etc. Anyone who tells you they can are probably imagining it.

It is the same with people who say individual channels souldn't go into the red when mixing. If you are working in a 24-bit environment you can go well into the red. Pushing the channels well into the red then pulling down the master fader IS the same as mixing channels at lower levels and leaving the master fader to a certain extent. this can be proved by null tests etc.

The only software summing where ive noticed a difference in quality was when i was using the early versions of reason years ago. Everything summed in reason had a slightly muddy sound. not sure how it is nowadays though.

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Originally posted by Eldritch No.

you shouldn't quote sentences out of context! and yes, the summing engine sounds different in every daw.

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Originally posted by dannib What you are reffering to is summing. I personally cannot tell the difference between something summed in cubase, logic etc. Anyone who tells you they can are probably imagining it. It is the same with people who say individual channels souldn't go into the red when mixing. If you are working in a 24-bit environment you can go well into the red. Pushing the channels well into the red then pulling down the master fader IS the same as mixing channels at lower levels and leaving the master fader to a certain extent. this can be proved by null tests etc. The only software summing where ive noticed a difference in quality was when i was using the early versions of reason years ago. Everything summed in reason had a slightly muddy sound. not sure how it is nowadays though.

well i dont know if going into the red is the best idea, but in a 24bit environment has a much higher amplitude than 16bit (144db vs 96) but lets say you are clipping on each channel and bring down the master fader, i realize the master is a summing bus, but won't it clip the individual channel?

There is no evidence that suggest, that the summing is different from daw to daw. In fact, the opposite is quite well documented. There were no difference between daws, except the cubase and nuendo render. The ones from the steinberg daws didn�t null perfectly, but that could be due to slightly different panning laws.

hmm intresting i guess it comes back to mastering to make the final result a good one?

I highly doubt mixing down to another sequencer will make any noticable improvements to the sound.

However, it can be an advantage using a different DAW to mixdown the final tracks, because some DAWs have more audio editing and mixer features.

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Originally posted by airwalker1 hmm intresting i guess it comes back to mastering to make the final result a good one?

not necessarily. mastering will only make the track good if it is mixdown well. mastering is very fine adjustments. and you can also serial compress or parallel to beef it up if the mix is a lacking a little.

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Originally posted by Subtle I highly doubt mixing down to another sequencer will make any noticable improvements to the sound. However, it can be an advantage using a different DAW to mixdown the final tracks, because some DAWs have more audio editing and mixer features.

if you export everyting dry and uncompressed, the compressor and other fx could possibly sound better, i think that is what i was getting at. i used to use fruity loops and now i use logic and its a big difference in sound quality, but everyone has their own opinion about that.

am i wrong or do different DAWs sound better or worse because they have better algorithms for fx processing and dither etc.?

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Originally posted by thecYrus you shouldn't quote sentences out of context! and yes, the summing engine sounds different in every daw.

Dither, compressors, EQs, will certainly differ between DAWs but summing is pretty basic math and should not differ at all. I don't know why this myth is so widespread.

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Originally posted by Subtle I highly doubt mixing down to another sequencer will make any noticable improvements to the sound. However, it can be an advantage using a different DAW to mixdown the final tracks, because some DAWs have more audio editing and mixer features.

when i was talking about mix it down, i meant with the plugins from another daw.

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when i was talking about mix it down, i meant with the plugins from another daw

Well obviously the included plugins will sound different from daw to daw. With digital eq plugins this is very subjective and i have heard stories of people sucessfully null out the sound using to completely different eq plugins.

It all comes down to the end user. A good engineer will be able to get a good mix out of any software. This is a fact. It all basically comes down to workflow and what works best for the user.

I dont use fruity loops. But it anoys me when people say that it is amateurish. If you can you use the same vst instruments, fx and integrate hardware. How can it sound different to say cubase? The truth is it cant. Its all about what works for the individual operating the software. Use what you feel comfertable with and you will be able to achieve whatever you want if you spend enough time learning.

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Originally posted by dannib Well obviously the included plugins will sound different from daw to daw. With digital eq plugins this is very subjective and i have heard stories of people sucessfully null out the sound using to completely different eq plugins. It all comes down to the end user. A good engineer will be able to get a good mix out of any software. This is a fact. It all basically comes down to workflow and what works best for the user. I dont use fruity loops. But it anoys me when people say that it is amateurish. If you can you use the same vst instruments, fx and integrate hardware. How can it sound different to say cubase? The truth is it cant. Its all about what works for the individual operating the software. Use what you feel comfertable with and you will be able to achieve whatever you want if you spend enough time learning.

true. the engineer does make the track sound good not the daw. i don't think fruity loops is amateurish at all. i used it for 4 years and its a great program.

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