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Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-19-2008 04:14:

cheney indicted

now that's something you don't see everyday.

quote:

A TEXAS grand jury has indicted US Vice President Dick Cheney for conspiring to block an investigation into abuse at privately run prisons.

The three-page indictment alleges that Mr Cheney profited from the abuse because he invested $US85 million ($131 million) in a mutual fund company which holds shares of for-profit prisons.

It said this was a "direct conflict of interest'' because Mr Cheney had influence over the federal contracts awarded to the prison companies.

The indictment also accused Mr Cheney of committing "at least misdemeanour assaults'' of inmates by allowing other inmates to assault them.

The indictment further alleges that former attorney-general Alberto Gonzalez "participated by further having used his position ... to stop the investigations as to the wrongdoings which includes the assaults committed in the prison for profit in Willacy County, Texas".

Mr Cheney and Mr Gonzalez were charged with engaging in organised criminal activity.

Mr Cheney's spokeswoman declined to comment because his office had not yet received a copy of the indictment.

"I'm not going to speculate or forecast the Vice President's legal options,'' Megan Mitchell said.

"Let's wait and see if we even receive one.''

Several other related indictments were brought against a host of public officials in what one lawyer called a circus act by a local prosecutor seeking revenge in his final weeks in office.

"We look forward to having the opportunity to have an independent, competent prosecutor review the facts, and are confident that once that happens these baseless charges will be dismissed,'' said Michael Cowen, who represents Texas State Senator Eddie Lucio.



http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2757...7-23109,00.html


Posted by josh4 on Nov-19-2008 04:22:

Wishful thinking. They're all going to be pardoned. All of them.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-19-2008 04:35:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
Wishful thinking. They're all going to be pardoned. All of them.


why didnt they wait til after the new government arrives to lay charges then?


Posted by josh4 on Nov-19-2008 04:41:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
why didnt they wait til after the new government arrives to lay charges then?


Well I was speaking generally. That Texas state thing is a small blip on the screen and is probably politically motivated. First we have to see if the judge signs the papers on it. Then we have to see where it goes. It will no doubt get a lot of press but I do doubt it will go anywhere.

Regarding the pardons, Bush can pardon anybody, even if they haven't been accused of a crime. When he exits office I fully expect for him to pardon his entire crew. (Especially since Obama has specifically pledged to prosecute any wrongdoings.) So that makes this event particularly moot.


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-19-2008 04:45:

wow, your presidential system is all screwed up :/


Posted by josh4 on Nov-19-2008 04:49:

pfft at least we're not censoring the Internet


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Nov-19-2008 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
pfft at least we're not censoring the Internet


touche

the difference being of course that we can un-censor it, but you cant un-pardon


Posted by jerZ07002 on Nov-19-2008 14:42:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
Well I was speaking generally. That Texas state thing is a small blip on the screen and is probably politically motivated. First we have to see if the judge signs the papers on it. Then we have to see where it goes. It will no doubt get a lot of press but I do doubt it will go anywhere.

Regarding the pardons, Bush can pardon anybody, even if they haven't been accused of a crime. When he exits office I fully expect for him to pardon his entire crew. (Especially since Obama has specifically pledged to prosecute any wrongdoings.) So that makes this event particularly moot.


the president can only pardon someone for a FEDERAL criminal convinction. A president can't pardon someone for a STATE criminal convinction. Thus, if Cheney were to actually be convincted (which I find highly unlikely), only Rick Perry (Texas Governor) could pardon him, which would be highly likely considering texas is a red state and Perry is a republican.


Posted by Zild on Nov-19-2008 14:50:

Perry would pardon them so fucking fast.


Posted by josh4 on Nov-19-2008 17:02:

It doesn't fucking matter. You're going to get CHENEY, while in the second most powerful position in the world (first by some accounts) in a Texas courthouse defending himself? Bullshit. I'll believe it when I see it.


Posted by LazFX on Nov-19-2008 20:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Zild
Perry would pardon them so fucking fast.


you know it.


Posted by atbell on Nov-19-2008 21:56:

quote:
Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
touche

the difference being of course that we can un-censor it, but you cant un-pardon


I can un-pardon, watch...

un-pardoned!

Blam!

Ground breaking!


Posted by atbell on Nov-19-2008 22:01:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
It doesn't fucking matter. You're going to get CHENEY, while in the second most powerful position in the world (first by some accounts) in a Texas courthouse defending himself? Bullshit. I'll believe it when I see it.


Don't take that defeatest tone in here. The left is supposed to be all high on victory and this is the best you can manage.

Start with the basics like SHOULD he be charged? Did he (or any other members of the administration) break the law? What are the ramifications of NOT prosecuting people who broke the law?

This is a more serrious international issue then most people realize. The US bases the extent of it's moral authority on the fact that it is a 'law abiding country'. Letting people who break the law go, at the highest level of power, who are being charged with some of the most heinous crimes possible, only affirms the popular beleife that the United States is generally a hypocritical country that doesn't even follow it's own rules.

How can any foreign affairs be repaired without showing the world that the laws are being applied as they are written, no matter how painful the results.


Posted by Renegade on Nov-21-2008 02:30:

quote:
Cheney-targeting DA is no-show
By Lynn Brezosky and Peggy Fikac - Express-News
RAYMONDVILLE � Willacy County prosecutor Juan Angel Guerra stumped a presiding judge and attorneys for clients as high up as Vice President Dick Cheney when he failed to show up to court on his own grand jury�s indictments.

[...]

The manager, Hilda Ramirez, was subpoenaed by defense attorney J.A. �Tony� Canales when buzz circulated in the courthouse that Guerra was nowhere to be found.

Canales summoned Ramirez to act as representative for Guerra in hopes the motions could go forward.

She told the judge she had been trying to reach Guerra all day.

When Ba�ales asked if she were concerned for Guerra�s safety she said she would not know how to answer the question.

Guerra�s cell phone message box was full much of the day, but an assistant who answered the line late Wednesday said he was not ill.


http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Ch...indictment.html


Posted by josh4 on Nov-21-2008 02:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Ch...indictment.html



LOL

quote:

Guerra Calls Back

WILLACY COUNTY - District Attorney Juan Guerra tells NEWSCHANNEL 5 that he will be in court tomorrow. He was surprised and caught off-guard by the quick action the judge took.

Guerra says he was traveling to Mexico and didn't expect things to move so quickly.

Guerra says he will be in court and he is confident that enough evidence exists to prosecute Vice President Dicky Cheney and the other high-profile officials.
http://www.newschannel5.tv/2008/11/20/1001540/Guerra-Calls-Back


Hmmm.


Posted by DJ Shibby on Nov-22-2008 09:57:

quote:
Originally posted by josh4
Wishful thinking. They're all going to be pardoned. All of them.


They're all going to jail. All of them.


Posted by josh4 on Dec-05-2008 00:57:

quote:
Judge Dismisses Cheney, Gonzales Indictments and Chides Prosecutor
Posted by Jennifer Forsyth

Two weeks ago, the LB strongly hinted here that the indictments against Vice President Dick Cheney and former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales by a grand jury in south Texas didn�t have much chance of going forward. Well, you can call us the next Nostradamus, because those indictments went vamoose Monday. Here�s the AP story and here�s Am Law Daily.

To recap, Cheney was charged with engaging in an organized criminal activity related to the vice president�s investment in the Vanguard Group, which holds financial interests in the private prison companies running federal detention centers in south Texas. The indictment accused Cheney of a conflict of interest and �at least misdemeanor assaults� on detainees because of his link to the prison companies. The indictment also accused Gonzales of using his position while in office to stop an investigation in 2006 into abuses at one of the privately-run prisons.

What we weren�t able to predict is on what grounds the indictments would be dismissed. Administrative Judge Manuel Banales dismissed all eight indictments because the attorney for GEO Group, the private prison operator also indicted, showed that two alternate jurors were part of the grand jury panel that day but had not been properly substituted. The judge also conveyed that the Willacy County District Attorney who brought the case, Juan Angel Guerra, was out of line.

�I suggest on behalf of the law that you not present any cases to the grand jury involving these defendants,� Banales said in court while ruling that eight indictments against Cheney, Gonzales and others were invalid. According to the AP, Banales withheld judgment on whether probable cause existed for the Cheney and Gonzales indictments because they were not represented in court and did not present any arguments. For the other defendants, he found no probable cause to support the charges.

Guerra apparently was undaunted. �I expected it,� he said. �The system is going to protect itself.�
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/12/03...des-prosecutor/


ROFL

* does the I Told You So dance *


Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Dec-05-2008 01:39:


Posted by Q5echo on Dec-05-2008 11:23:

bump


Posted by atbell on Dec-05-2008 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Shibby
They're all going to jail. All of them.


Makes me wonder, what if Cheney did go to jail, would he be sent to one that he owned? If so could he just ask the prison guards to let him out because he is thier boss?

Does that mean that private prisons alow those who own them to do what ever they want?

I wonder how the US can ask any country to abide by the rule of law when it's clear that it does not exist in that country.


Posted by DJ Shibby on Dec-06-2008 00:11:

quote:
Originally posted by atbell
Makes me wonder, what if Cheney did go to jail, would he be sent to one that he owned? If so could he just ask the prison guards to let him out because he is thier boss?

Does that mean that private prisons alow those who own them to do what ever they want?

I wonder how the US can ask any country to abide by the rule of law when it's clear that it does not exist in that country.


It's abundantly clear that law does not apply to powerful people.

They can shoot you in the face without a hunting license, or even assassinate you, without consequence. Who knows what kind of evil, twisted shit they do in their spare time?

They can't be tossed in the slammer yet anyway, they'd just be given a free ticket out.

Wait for the next president to get in, then throw the book at them.



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