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what are the secrets of trance hi-hats? :-P

I've been learning music production for about 2 years now but still
there is one thing i can never get right, and thats how to create
a good trance hi-hat pattern, ive tried listening to songs and figuring
it out but seems too hard for some reason, they use delay or something?

Are there any good resources on programming trance beats? ive been
searching for a while, including this forum, but i only seem to find
the basic, kick, bass, hi-hat offset combo.

the best i achieved so far was taking the basics and adding a closed
hi-hat on every beat and using sidechaining to give it a little bit
of rhythm, makes the beat flow more but still sounds a little crappy :-)

Mr. Mystery made a little tutorial:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=224021

ah super, thanks for the link!

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=224021

Edit: LOL, too late

one genre that does not has secrets when it comes to hihats is trance. just put in between the kicks and all the white people will dance.

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Originally posted by palm one genre that does not has secrets when it comes to hihats is trance. just put in between the kicks and all the white people will dance.

But what about all the blacks and Asians?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But what about all the blacks and Asians?

bass for da blacks yo

and what the hell do asians love?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles But what about all the blacks and Asians?

u have to be one to understand what the hell theyre into. forget about it, diferent races will never enjoy the same music in a club.

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Originally posted by palm u have to be one to understand what the hell theyre into. forget about it, diferent races will never enjoy the same music in a club.

Why not?

theyr shaking their buts to complicated rhytms and we reach for the lasers to 4*4.

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Originally posted by palm theyr shaking their buts to complicated rhytms and we reach for the lasers to 4*4.

Pretty much all dance music is in 4/4, including house and techno, which were invented by black people.

i mean the 4*4 beat with hihats between and obvious breaks, wasnt talking about signature.

Something I like to do is use various open hi-hats with some swing.

The trick is to use a hi-hat sound that goes well with the rest of the track, with the right amount of reverb, compression, EQ, pattern and volume.

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Originally posted by palm one genre that does not has secrets when it comes to hihats is trance. just put in between the kicks and all the white people will dance.

Well, I don't agree with you. Trance can have very complicated hat-loops. Simply put a hihat between the kick won't actually do it.
(I'm not completely sure if you are being sarcastic or not )

I happen to be doinfg a module at university on black and white music. Basically all pop music trance included came from slave early blues. before that white people were doing doe ray me far etc and playing piano and military band instruments bugles etc. black people came singing with gritty voices dancing with hips and when they were freed and had chance to get hold of white instruments trumpets etc (usually parting gifts from the slave masters) they started playing breaking all the "white rules" pitch bending using semitones and minor scales pentatonic minors etc. they also did the call and response which trance is based on

I woke up this morning (call)
I was feelin blue (response)

trance hook (call)
possibly filtered delay (response)

Hard to do the trance one but if u get me its really interesting white people and the western world have a lot to thank black people for scales dancing, instrumentation articulation of sound vocal delivery everything.

Oh and if you really want to get creative make several hi hat loops or for that matter any high percussive sound layer them and filter them all so various things are in the mix or not maybe the high from one and mids from another try out several pattern you end with full sounding loop

A lot of trance doesn't have much of a call and response, especially the older stuff.

Although I guess you can conceptualize individual pieces within a melody as "calls" and "responses." But that kind of call and response goes back way before African-American music. American dance music itself (swing -> pop -> disco -> house, techno) is certainly an invention of blacks, though.

I was breakin it down to individual elements ike parts of a melody if a melody was a sentence then there must be an accompanying sentence to make a phrase thats what i was gettin at.

Really interesting music history did you know that elvis was partly the reason for the black music charts and white music charts being merged in USA. He was top of both because of appealing to black and white audiences. They also passed laws so you could not see him on tv below the waist because his dancing was considered to sexual. HOW CRAZY IS THAT.

Were doing the alcohol ban and what effect it had on music at the moment. Illegal blues clubs and stuff well good fun.

The Mr.Mystery thread is quite a good starting point for me, the hi-hats
have that kind of swing feel which is what i was searching for and his,
example is well mixed.

Actually i have many good hi-hat loops which i can use and sound
great, but im more interested in creating them my self.

I agree with Subtle that the sound of the hi-hats is very important,
so im going to experiement a little more myself and see what i come
up. :-)

Well, since they're secrets, I obviously can't tell you can I. Would they still be secret if I told you?

Have you tried wearing a chicken suit? That's my secret (but keep it on the down-low).

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Originally posted by alanzo Have you tried wearing a chicken suit? That's my secret (but keep it on the down-low).

Doesn't that get hot when you are in the studio for a long time?

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Originally posted by Theran I'm not completely sure if you are being sarcastic or not

it had double meaning, both true and sarcastic, but also ironicaly-

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Originally posted by palm one genre that does not has secrets when it comes to hihats is trance. just put in between the kicks and all the white people will dance.

lol.

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