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Posted by ziptnf on Nov-25-2008 01:21:

Defend your genre

We all know by now that everyone who listens to EDM is assigned a particular genre. I used to be a big fan of Melodic Trance, but when it started getting homosexual, poppy, and had nothing but vocals, I lost interest. I have recently immersed myself into the world of psy, and of the 3 major types, I prefer full on over all of them (obviously). I like full on psy because it explores entire spectrums of sound, has a rolling beat and bassline that makes you want to dance, and generally has solid, well-structured melodies/riffs. Plus, it sounds cool. From a perspective of a producer, psy trance should be admired at least for some of the amazing sounds that artists make with their synthesizers.

Why do you like your genre? I for one cannot understand House music. I just don't get it. It's not very minimal, but it's not very varied either. It's pretty groovy, but I just don't really see how it's so popular these days. I'm not trying to trash the genre at all, I just don't really see why people like it so much.

TA's thoughts?


Posted by Paradox Lost on Nov-25-2008 01:29:

Re: Defend your genre

inb4 musical taste is subjective.


Posted by SYSTEM-J on Nov-25-2008 01:31:

My defence of epic house would be the mixes in my sig.


Posted by Adam420 on Nov-25-2008 01:38:

Well when you say House are you referring to straight-up House music? Or Progressive, Electro, Minimal, Tech House, etc... as well?


Posted by LoveHate on Nov-25-2008 01:57:

Acid house
Bubblegum dance
Chicago house
Dark house
Deep house
Disco house
Electro house
French house
Freestyle house
NY Garage
Ghetto house
Grind house
Hi-NRG
UK Hard house
Hip house
Italo house
Jumpstyle
Kwaito
Latin house
Merenhouse
Minimal house/Microhouse
Progressive house
Skacid
Tribal house
Tech house
Cosmic disco
Eurodance
Euro disco
Hi-NRG
Italo dance
Italo disco
Nu-disco
Acid techno
Detroit techno
Freetekno
Ghettotech
Jtek
Minimal
Acid jazz
Balearic Beat
Chill out
Ethnic electronica
Glitch
Illbient
Minimal Electronica
New Age music
Nu jazz
Trip hop


Posted by Paradox Lost on Nov-25-2008 02:02:

quote:
Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
My defence of epic house would be the mixes in my sig.


I suspect you'll find it challenging to defend a genre that doesn't exist.

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Posted by ziptnf on Nov-25-2008 02:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Adam420
Well when you say House are you referring to straight-up House music? Or Progressive, Electro, Minimal and Tech House as well?


I know there are a billion different styles of House, but Tech, Minimal, and Progressive House are what people mostly listen to, right? It all depends on taste, but I was just wondering why you guys like it so much? From a technical, or musical standpoint, why does it appeal? Again, I'm not trying to piss off anyone, just asking questions.


Posted by PezCore on Nov-25-2008 05:59:

psy-trance is the most well structured style of EDM music. even those who don,t like it should at least acknowledge that it is the most well produced style and also most diversified.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:03:

quote:
Originally posted by PezCore
psy-trance is the most well structured style of EDM music. even those who don,t like it should at least acknowledge that it is the most well produced style and also most diversified.

Ambient?

Also must say, I quite like progressive house (so long as its reasonably long and decent) now. I guess house is like the genre between uptempo (140bpm+) stuff and downtempo (120bpm-)... so its sometimes useful for those moods.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:05:

quote:
Originally posted by PezCore
psy-trance is the most well structured style of EDM music.


What does it mean that a style is "well structured"?

quote:

even those who don,t like it should at least acknowledge that it is the most well produced style


How is a style "well produced"?

quote:
and also most diversified.


Most certainly not.


Posted by nefardec on Nov-25-2008 06:06:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
What does it mean that a style is "well structured"?



boring and predictable?


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:06:

quote:
Originally posted by nefardec
boring and predictable?

fail. Full on somewhat compared to other stuff, however theres certainly much worse, and the simple fact that its usually over 6 minutes means the songs have to have a well layed out structure and idea to keep them interesting for that long.
quote:
Originally posted by SMC
How is a style "well produced"?

Well I guess with psy theres certainly a lot more effort put into synth programming, hence why you see much more varied sounds... as well as sounds that actually change along with the melody/groove and change throughout the song. Again, this isn't true for all psy... some of its starting to become more similar, and less effort put into, but thats the stuff I want to get away from and don't like anyway.
quote:
Originally posted by SMC
Most certainly not.

Well I'd say probably not but, examples of more varied genres?


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:09:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Ambient?


What?


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:11:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
What?

I'm saying its probably the most complicated edm genre, really.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:12:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Well I guess with psy theres certainly a lot more effort put into synth programming, hence why you see much more varied sounds... as well as sounds that actually change along with the melody/groove and change throughout the song. Again, this isn't true for all psy... some of its starting to become more similar, and less effort put into, but thats the stuff I want to get away from and don't like anyway.


That's an aesthetic quality, has nothing to do with being well produced.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:12:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
That's an asesthetic quality, has nothing to do with being well produced.

What's well produced then? Mastering?

I'm saying if more effort is put into the sounds, then they are probably closer to the feeling of the song, which is the aim for each element imo. Bearing in mind, this used to happen quite a bit with classic trance too.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
I'm saying its probably the most complicated edm genre, really.


Yeah, well, except it's not edm and it's not even necessarily electronic.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:17:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
Yeah, well, except it's not edm and it's not even necessarily electronic.

Well its certainly strongly associated with edm... and while its not strictly dancey, neither is drum n bass. I haven't really heard that much of non sequenced ambient, I'm sure it exists, but its a vast minority.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Well its certainly strongly associated with edm... and while its not strictly dancey, neither is drum n bass. I haven't really heard that much of non sequenced ambient, I'm sure it exists, but its a vast minority.


Does the word "ignorance" mean anything to you?


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:22:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
Does the word "ignorance" mean anything to you?

How about providing something useful instead of being an asshole.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
How about providing something useful instead of being an asshole.


You're the one who brought it up. How about keeping your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:25:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
You're the one who brought it up. How about keeping your mouth shut when you don't know what you're talking about.

Oh and you know so much more mr ambient is not electronica. As well as using the word aesthetic to describe anything at all in an art form.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Oh and you know so much more mr ambient is not electronica.


So it seems, yes. And i didn't say ambient is not electronica. I said it is not edm and not necessarily electronic.


Posted by Darkarbiter on Nov-25-2008 06:32:

quote:
Originally posted by SMC
So it seems, yes. And i didn't say ambient is not electronica. I said it is not edm and not necessarily electronic.

Well I don't think the term electronic dance music is entirely literal in its meaning of music that is made electornically/has heavy use of synthesizers and is made for dancing. May as well include hip hop in there as well if thats the case, which I don't think is true at all.

Anyway, care to answer my other questions? Like for instance, what the hell "well produced" is meant to mean if it doesn't mean the sounds are well made and exact.


Posted by SMC on Nov-25-2008 06:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Darkarbiter
Well I don't think the term electronic dance music is entirely literal in its meaning of music that is made electornically/has heavy use of synthesizers and is made for dancing. May as well include hip hop in there as well if thats the case, which I don't think is true at all.


I'm not sure that argument works in your favor.


quote:

Anyway, care to answer my other questions? Like for instance, what the hell "well produced" is meant to mean if it doesn't mean the sounds are well made and exact.


I don't know, i'm not the one who made the claim psytrance is "well produced". But more importantly, wtf is "well made and exact"? How does one establish whether a sound is "well made" and "exact"? Based on which criteria?


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