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I just took a song i made multitracked it split it into seperate channels ran it though proper studio analogue desk. Bought it home mastered it with waves etc and oh my god what a difference.

gotta do a before and after!

go on

I'm after a Neve or API channel strip to throw on my master channel

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Originally posted by adi_hanson gotta do a before and after! go on

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So you mixed it on the desk? What sort of desk was it?

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Originally posted by Sonic_c I just took a song i made multitracked it split it into seperate channels ran it though proper studio analogue desk. Bought it home mastered it with waves etc and oh my god what a difference.

Samples or stfu.

What desk? and did you mix it there or just record the base levels as multitracks again and automate it back at home?

Oh yeah.. That 0.05 percent difference sure as hell jsutifies the 100k$ ssl desk.
But I�ve heard samples of tracks mixed in pro tools, and mixed on an API summing mixer.
The API mix sounded more punchy, had more depth. Made me wanna buy one for sure. It�s just not worth the $$ though (for me)

I havent abandoned the thread putting samples up tonight and pics before after waves.

The desk is university equipment and i get to use it for free. So i agree with $$$

The desk is an audient analogue thing massive it is bigger than me and im 5"11 and they have loads of rack equip. the other studio has a digital desk with protools hd and a yamaha dm2000 desk but i like analogue better.

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sounds awesome even on my laptop.

cool thats good to hear someone said if a song is mastered well should sound good on any system so i hope im close

So you posted an unmastered vs mastered track, the mastered one sounds alot better, but I dont see whats that got to to with the desk, when uve post processed with waves.

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Originally posted by Subtle So you posted an unmastered vs mastered track, the mastered one sounds alot better, but I dont see whats that got to to with the desk, when uve post processed with waves.

+1 master it with software too, for a side by side.

The track still sucks. You need to add more analog!

My point is that this thread is stupid. You can get identical results with Waves Multimaxamizer.

The thread started me just saying i finally understand why all the touch ups etc are so important. Then someone said samples or stfu so i put up samples.

The first sample is before it went through desk before i patched in dsp reverbs etc. The second is also gently compressed with a valve compressor in the studio.

The second also has been eq;d on the desk.

Really guys its the first time I been in a real studio and was impressed with results so flame me if you like but I am not trying to annoy with this thread.

I was also under the impression and of the opinion that putting sound through an analogue desk gives it a warmer coloured sound. So second version should demonstrate the desk effects compression etc.

Man these forums got some real negative people. Just ignore them. Revelations during life long learning processes are very important. When you can share those revelations it helps the rest of us along too. Unless your Joe Schmo over here who thinks he has learned all there ever is to be learned and the rest of us are beneath him and wasting his time. Ridiculous. Thanks for sharing.

It can get pretty negative around here sometimes. I've been trying to cut back on quips and sarcasm myself, since they don't really help anybody.

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Originally posted by alanzo My point is that this thread is stupid. You can get identical results with Waves Multimaxamizer.

+1
Maybe not identical, but extremely close.
Pretty much all mastering work can be replicated through software as of recent. However that is not the same for synths.

To all the "so what use software people" you have no idea how much fun taking a track from my home system and putting it in a real studio was. I felt like a real producer for once in my life! it has excellent monitors and sub too.

I don't get you guys, even if the song sounded terrible I would still say I had fun. Is that not why people make music because its enjoyable?

Also its split down the middle half saying its excellent half saying its awful so how could I please everyones ears and also why would I want to. When I made the song I didnt actually start out thinking This is gonna rock Trance addict in fact I envy the tracks on here. I wrote the song because it was fun, and the studio was fun, listening to it was fun.

"this thread is pointless" - You have no basis for that arguement even if you did it is subjective and based on opinion. The thread was a happy producer who had made some progress looking to share. At what point did I say software is awful and hardware is great. In fact I said i used everything and got a nice sound IMO.

Oh and thanks styles

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Originally posted by Sonic_c To all the "so what use software people" you have no idea how much fun taking a track from my home system and putting it in a real studio was. I felt like a real producer for once in my life! it has excellent monitors and sub too. I don't get you guys, even if the song sounded terrible I would still say I had fun. Is that not why people make music because its enjoyable? Also its split down the middle half saying its excellent half saying its awful so how could I please everyones ears and also why would I want to. When I made the song I didnt actually start out thinking This is gonna rock Trance addict in fact I envy the tracks on here. I wrote the song because it was fun, and the studio was fun, listening to it was fun. "this thread is pointless" - You have no basis for that arguement even if you did it is subjective and based on opinion. The thread was a happy producer who had made some progress looking to share. At what point did I say software is awful and hardware is great. In fact I said i used everything and got a nice sound IMO. Oh and thanks styles

Couple a things
Feeling like a real producer != being a real producer. WTF is a real producer anyway? Like one that you haven't imagined?
You haven't rocked tranceaddict, you're not that important, even if you are a "real producer"

@ all the haters: This thread has a point, if your not interested in it then don't look at it. I'm personally interested in hearing the difference that analogue summing really makes...

So sonic, please explain exactly from start to finish what you did in each of those examples. Did you take your finished track (exported as stems) into the studio and run each stem through the analogue desk mixing it as you went? Or did you just run it through the desk, rerecord it and take it home to mix?
Need more info thanks. Obviously if you ran one through an analogue tube compressor, then never mastered the other one at all, they're going to sound different. I'd be more interested if you now went to a lot of trouble on the waves plugins to try and recreate the sound of the analogue desk and tube comp, using only software, then we'd really see whether it was possible to make music of equal quality using either approach.

I for one was very much interested in the thread so glad you post despite some of the negativity in some posts. Even though similar or close results may be possible with software some say, its good to hear this comparision for others to share to get an idea of what a pro studio can do.

+1 with kitphillips would like to know more. Interesting stuff, nice one.

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Originally posted by kitphillips You haven't rocked tranceaddict, you're not that important, even if you are a "real producer"

Only thing is I said I DID NOT EXPECT to rock trance addict. for that matter I never would. I also dont consider myself to be a real producer untill... hard to explain for example ATB,Lange,Oceanlab - real producers I just think im a learner. I was just saying the experience of using equip I could never afford and hearing things on monitors that are really sweet made me feel like more real than sitting at home.

Please dont think I said I was going to rock anything it really was just a mastering/hardware learning session for me.

Just got home post list of things i did after lunch

Be aware though, that a desk like that could have a placebo effect on you.

I'm betting on placebo effect. But a lot of producers swear by analogue summing, and I'm sure that the ability to reach out and adjust levels at the drop of a hat is very conducive to good workflow

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Originally posted by Stef +1 Maybe not identical, but extremely close. Pretty much all mastering work can be replicated through software as of recent. However that is not the same for synths.

It can be an endless discussion I think. Trust your ears is all I'd say.

For example, I wouldn't call the 'mastered' version clip better for example - it just sounds more 'finished'.

Made track in cubase
Split everything down into individual channels (multitrack)
Took to studio put multitrack in logic
Ran each channel drums bass etc to diff channels on desk
Eq'd channels to my taste
Patched some channels out to hardware delays reverbs etc
Mixed levels nice so they loudest they could relative to other instruments
Patched in valve compressor over the whole mix to deal with stray peaks and level hikes
Recorded at -2.0db

Normalised to zero db back in cubase at home with a waves l2 limiter on master channel

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