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Washington Post: 20,000 More U.S. Troops To Be Deployed For “Domestic Security” Paul Joseph Watson Prison Planet.com Monday, December 1, 2008 The Washington Post today reports on plans to station 20,000 more U.S. troops inside America for purposes of “domestic security” from September 2011, an expansion of Northcom’s militarization of the country in preparation for potential civil unrest following a total economic collapse or a mass terror attack. “The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials,” reports the Post. “Domestic emergency deployment may be “just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority,” or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU’s National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of “a creeping militarization” of homeland security.” As Alex Jones exposed back in the late 1990’s, U.S. troops have been training for this eventuality for a considerable amount of time. During numerous urban warfare drills that Jones attended and reported on, troops were trained to raid, arrest and imprison U.S. citizens in detention camps as well as taking over public buildings and running checkpoints. During role playing exercises, actors playing prisoners would scream “I’m an American citizen, I have rights” as they were being dragged away by troops. The contention that the troops will merely help “recovery efforts” after a major catastrophe is contradicted by the fact that Northcom itself, in a September 8 Army Times article, said the first wave of the deployment, which was put in place on October 1st at Fort Stewart and at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, would be aimed at tackling “civil unrest and crowd control”. After a controversy arose surrounding the admissions made in the Army Times article, Northcom retracted the claim but conceded that both lethal and non-lethal weaponry traditionally used in crowd control and riot situations would still be used in the field. The increasing militarization of America is part of a long term agenda to abolish Constitutional rule and establish a “military form of government,” following a large scale terror attack or similar disaster, as Tommy Franks, the former commander of the military’s Central Command, alluded to in a November 2003 Cigar Aficionado piece. Franks outlined the scenario by which martial law would be put in place, saying, “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.” In the short term, the domestic deployment of troops is likely aimed at combating likely civil unrest that will ensue after a complete economic collapse followed by a devastating period of hyperinflation. This warning was again echoed a few days ago in a leaked internal memo from Citibank. “The world is not going back to normal after the magnitude of what they have done. When the dust settles this will either work, and the money they have pushed into the system will feed through into an inflation shock,” wrote Tom Fitzpatrick, Citibank’s chief technical strategist. The memo predicts “depression, civil disorder and possibly wars” as a fallout from an economic collapse that many say is on the horizon. Naturally, the claim that such troop deployments are merely to aid in disaster relief efforts is a thin veil aimed at distracting from the real goal. Should a real tragedy occur, volunteers and already existing civil aid organizations are fully capable of dealing with such events, as we witnessed on 9/11. The military are primarily trained to kill people and break things, and their role during the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts was mainly focused on detaining people in sports stadiums, shooting alleged looters and seizing guns from wealthy home owners in the high and dry areas, while real recovery measures were left to volunteers and local state authorities. The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances. Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.” Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.” However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807. Despite this repeal, President Bush attached a signing statement saying that he did not feel bound by the repeal. It remains to be seen whether President elect Obama will reverse Bush’s signing statement. The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States. For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.” Is the incoming Obama administration and Northcom waiting for such a scenario to unfold, an event that completely overwhelms state authorities, before unleashing the might of the U.S. Army against the American people? The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal. The political left and right need to join forces and denounce this plan for what it is - another unconstitutional step towards the incremental implementation of martial law and the militarization of America.

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Question: Why post the highly bias Infowars link when it's supposedly reported by Washington Post, which happens to be a more reputable source?

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Originally posted by Leon Trotsky Question: Why post the highly bias Infowars link when it's supposedly reported by Washington Post, which happens to be a more reputable source?

reputable source... thats just an opinion.

If you post troops in America, you loose the entire economic powerhouse of your people:

the "idea" of the word Freedom.

It's the same reason why no one would dare destroy a major city: they are the hives of the dollar.

anyone that posts links to infowars needs professional medical help.

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Originally posted by dcougar99 reputable source... thats just an opinion.

This would be hilarious if sarcastic. Somehow, I don't think it is.

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The military are primarily trained to kill people and break things, and their role during the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts was mainly focused on detaining people in sports stadiums, shooting alleged looters and seizing guns from wealthy home owners in the high and dry areas, while real recovery measures were left to volunteers and local state authorities.

...more bias please...

Obviously written by someone with no military background whatsoever...

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...more bias please... Obviously written by someone with no military background whatsoever...

What in 42's sum are you talking about? Marines fucking kill things. They're loyal to their peers, their guns and their superiors.

This is a debating forum, need you be reminded. A statement like that is usually followed up with a rebuttal. How has your military experience provided you with different point of view?

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} What in 42's sum are you talking about? Marines fucking kill things. They're loyal to their peers, their guns and their superiors. This is a debating forum, need you be reminded. A statement like that is usually followed up with a rebuttal. How has your military experience provided you with different point of view?

Considering I have family (on BOTH sides) that have been in the Canadian Forces for over 30 years I would say I have a very good perspective thanks.
The fact that these are U.S. Marines is irrelevant if the only argument YOU have is that they, 'kill things' like mindless robots.
So unless YOU have something to debate other 'booga booga@ OMGWTFBBQ MARINES!!!!!11 WEER DEAD!' and have some actual support for your argument...kindly stfu.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} What in 42's sum are you talking about? Marines fucking kill things. They're loyal to their peers, their guns and their superiors. This is a debating forum, need you be reminded. A statement like that is usually followed up with a rebuttal. How has your military experience provided you with different point of view?

I dunno, man... the source is questionable therefore I'm sure we'll all be safe.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Considering I have family (on BOTH sides) that have been in the Canadian Forces for over 30 years I would say I have a very good perspective thanks.

Bwaaaahahaha.

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The fact that these are U.S. Marines is irrelevant if the only argument YOU have is that they, 'kill things' like mindless robots. So unless YOU have something to debate other 'booga booga@ OMGWTFBBQ MARINES!!!!!11 WEER DEAD!' and have some actual support for your argument...kindly stfu.

So then what is your argument, then, since his is so insufficient? That, due to the fact that you know some people in the Canadian military, US Marines will refuse to detain or kill citizens of their own nation when they are told to do so? I know this is the conspiracy Theorist's catch-all, but wake the fuck up. People who join the military in the first place rarely have conscience against doing whatever they are told and the rest of them face court marshal, dishonourable discharge, or even worse.

But I suppose you have nothing to fear, what with your family being specially-trained commandos and all.

Hopenchange will do it. he's already made it clear he'll do it.

the implications of it are disputable but let's not forget he said he'd do it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo Hopenchange

youre such a partisan Q5

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Bwaaaahahaha.

I know some people?
They happen to be FAMILY. id-10-t.

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So then what is your argument, then, since his is so insufficient? That, due to the fact that you know some people in the Canadian military, US Marines will refuse to detain or kill citizens of their own nation when they are told to do so? I know this is the conspiracy Theorist's catch-all, but wake the fuck up. People who join the military in the first place rarely have conscience against doing whatever they are told and the rest of them face court marshal, dishonourable discharge, or even worse. But I suppose you have nothing to fear, what with your family being specially-trained commandos and all.

'Jesus welcome to the f%cking military soldier where you MIGHT have to take orders! Holy f#cking sh$t!! Orders!!? What's that? You only take orders from your momma? Wake the f#ck up maggot!'

...yea, THAT military.

Well you got one thing right, they do have a MILITARY COURT - bravo on at least understanding that.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN youre such a partisan Q5

combating selective memory one epithet at a time

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Originally posted by Q5echo Hopenchange

LOL, that was the funniest thing you ever posted Q, thanks for the laugh .

wish it were mine

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, that was the funniest thing you ever posted Q, thanks for the laugh .

I doubt he has ever experienced the emotion we know as hope, or the acausal series of events known as "change".

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Originally posted by DJ Shibby I doubt he has ever experienced the emotion we know as hope, or the acausal series of events known as "change".

Dude, check your PMs .

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...more bias please... Obviously written by someone with no military background whatsoever...

I think you're missing the point.

Remember, the US already deployed troops as of October 1, 2008.

This is part of a continued trend.

I don't like it.

I don't think there is any doubt that the troops are being deployed to quell civil unrest.

I'm not to disturbed that the army is being used this way, civil unrest sucks. Riots just aren't good unless you've got a few shopping carts with bricks ready to hit up circuit cit... oh, never mind.

What disturbs me is that someone who is in charge of troop deployment has forcast that there is a need for quelling civil unrest.

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I'm going to write that again in a different way.


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There is someone in the military who thinks that it is highly probable that there is going to be civil unrest so crazy that the military is going to be needed to keep some amount of order.


Serriously, think about that, digest it, read it agian while eating your toast in the morning.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I dunno, man... the source is questionable therefore I'm sure we'll all be safe.

The WP article in question exists, albeit, I'm not racing through my tickle-trunk looking for Gabriel's Horn, quite yet.

Not much profit in a police-state, eh?

The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?hpid=topnews

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Considering

How would I consider something you didn't share with us in the first place? Horseshit.

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I have family (on BOTH sides) that have been in the Canadian Forces for over 30 years I would say I have a very good perspective thanks.

..ugh. Ok, maybe I can drag this out of you. You responded to

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The military are primarily trained to kill people and break things, and their role during the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts was mainly focused on detaining people in sports stadiums, shooting alleged looters and seizing guns from wealthy home owners in the high and dry areas, while real recovery measures were left to volunteers and local state authorities.

with an insufficient statement, and for a moment I thought I was back in the COR. The above is correct: they shot looters, illegally seized guns and made a general mess of things.

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The fact that these are U.S. Marines is irrelevant if the only argument YOU have is that they, 'kill things' like mindless robots.

Whoa, suddenly, I am on trial for pointing out you have poor debating skills? Figures. I have a few other arguments up my sleeve, should you choose to blunder on.

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So unless YOU have something to debate other 'booga booga@ OMGWTFBBQ MARINES!!!!!11 WEER DEAD!' and have some actual support for your argument...kindly stfu.

Only on the internet, my ignorant friend, would you ever get away with telling me to 'shut the fuck up'. Doughboys don't get respect, you guys get knocked out. Learn some freakin manner's, CORboy. I'm not starting a hypothetical fist fight here with you either, only to remind you that we're all human beings, and I don't condescend to you [granted the temptation is there ].

If you'd like to know more about the police state, perhaps you might peruse and research the following:

Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies. The bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic.

Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry. Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I know some people? They happen to be FAMILY. id-10-t. 'Jesus welcome to the f%cking military soldier where you MIGHT have to take orders! Holy f#cking sh$t!! Orders!!? What's that? You only take orders from your momma? Wake the f#ck up maggot!' ...yea, THAT military. Well you got one thing right, they do have a MILITARY COURT - bravo on at least understanding that.

Never on the history of Tranceaddict have I witnessed someone miss the point so fucking far. Bravo yourself, you tit-idiot.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Never on the history of Tranceaddict have I witnessed someone miss the point so fucking far. Bravo yourself, you tit-idiot.

We have an Alpha-Bravo-Idiot, over.

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Originally posted by {b.s.e.} We have an Alpha-Bravo-Idiot, over.

I just don't get it one bit. This is supposed to be a political debate forum, right? Am I in the right place? The c0r gets so much shit for its antics but clearly, when Mongo broke from his leash, he came stampeding through here.

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