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A BRISBANE school has banned the national anthem at assemblies and sacked the teacher who asked for it to be played. Australian International Islamic College teacher Pravin Chand was sacked in November, four months after his proposal for students to sing Advance Australia Fair was ruled to be against the "Islamic view and ethos". A memo sent to teachers at the Durack school in July and obtained by The Courier-Mail, also said "the singing of the anthem will be put on hold". The revelations follow an outcry on the Gold Coast this week at a plan by the same college to open another campus at Carrara. A vocal crowd draped in Australian flags accused the college of promoting segregation, anti-Australian values and even terrorism. Muslim leaders slammed the protests as "un-Australian" and claimed religion should not be used as a reason to protest against a school. School chairman Imam Abdul Quddoos Azhari yesterday denied the anthem ban and said students sang it "at every function". But Mr Chand, whose version of events was backed by a second teacher, said he had not heard the anthem once this year. "No national anthem to me means no integration with Australian kids," Mr Chand said. "Western values (at the school) are a no-no. "It's like a paramilitary camp that place." Mr Chand's employment was terminated by the college board last month on the grounds he was "not fitting into the school's ethos". Outgoing principal Azroul Liza Khalid, who started at the school in July, said she had not heard the anthem once at assembly, although it was played two or three other times. Ms Khalid said she was told by a board member not to play the anthem or any songs on Friday because it was a holy day. In July, school assembly day was moved from Monday to Friday. A spokeswoman for Education Minister Rod Welford indicated it was unlikely a public school had banned the national anthem. "It's not compulsory for schools to play the national anthem," she said. "There's an expectation it would be played on formal occasions when the Australian flag is being raised." A Catholic education spokesman said: "I'm absolutely confident that no Catholic school has ever banned the playing of the national anthem and never will." School trustee Keysar Trad and Imam Quddoos said they had not heard of the ban and supported the playing of the anthem at future assemblies. The future of the proposed 60-student college at Carrara will be decided by Gold Coast City Council next year.

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I didn't realize a non-living entity was capable of "being at it again." When Stalin committed genocide, would it be fair to say "atheism at it again" or "communism at it again." As a self proclaimed liberal, I assume you're familiar with the concept of not making bigoted generalizations... especially when they go beyond that, and are downright retarded.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z I didn't realize a non-living entity was capable of "being at it again."

non-living entities are meaningless until put into action by people. people often put islam into practice in rather negative fashions. islam is nothing but the principles and practices of its adherents. you are what you eat.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z When Stalin committed genocide, would it be fair to say "atheism at it again" or "communism at it again."

you would have to make a causal link between stalin's atheism and his butchery. i think the link between islamists and intolerance is rather well established.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z As a self proclaimed liberal, I assume you're familiar with the concept of not making bigoted generalizations... especially when they go beyond that, and are downright retarded.

which generalisation are you referring to? are you denying there is a large minority of islamic believers that do their faith injustice? this is just another example of islam at odds with modern society. are you saying that this isn't a common occurrence? coz im sure i could go and google a plethora of examples of islam being a driving force behind intolerance and dogmatism. yes, christianity is just as bad, but they're not the ones banning the australian anthem.

What's their beef with the Australian national anthem?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy What's their beef with the Australian national anthem?

who knows. admittedly its no star spangled banner, but its ok.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN non-living entities are meaningless until put into action by people. people often put islam into practice in rather negative fashions. islam is nothing but the principles and practices of its adherents. you are what you eat. you would have to make a causal link between stalin's atheism and his butchery. i think the link between islamists and intolerance is rather well established. which generalisation are you referring to? are you denying there is a large minority of islamic believers that do their faith injustice? this is just another example of islam at odds with modern society. are you saying that this isn't a common occurrence? coz im sure i could go and google a plethora of examples of islam being a driving force behind intolerance and dogmatism. yes, christianity is just as bad, but they're not the ones banning the australian anthem.

Nevermind, I'm obviously not talking to rational person or an adult. Way to completely miss the point. Get help.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Way to completely miss the point.

what, that i said 'islam' rather than 'islamic schools' or 'islamic teachers' ? meh.

Are Australian colleges generally state-funded? I honestly have no clue.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Are Australian colleges generally state-funded? I honestly have no clue.

virtually all australian schools/colleges/universities are state funded, including the 'private' religious schools.

I went to an Anglican high-school and I can't ever remember singing the national anthem at an assembly. I'm not really one for conspicuous displays of nationalism, so I can't really say I disagree with any school who wants to cut that sort of business out, but if the details of this story are correct (i.e. sacking someone just for suggesting the anthem be played - I'm skeptical tbh) then the school really is pretty dumb. The tabloid press is going to have a field day with this.

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Originally posted by Renegade I went to an Anglican high-school and I can't ever remember singing the national anthem at an assembly. I'm not really one for conspicuous displays of nationalism, so I can't really say I disagree with any school who wants to cut that sort of business out, but if the details of this story are correct (i.e. sacking someone just for suggesting the anthem be played - I'm skeptical tbh) then the school really is pretty dumb. The tabloid press is going to have a field day with this.

yeah, im not a fan of conspicuous displays of nationalism either. and i have no issue with anyone NOT playing the anthem, as long as there isn't a "ban". especially not a ban that ultimately creates division and entrenches the "us and them" mentality.

im certainly not in favour of pushing religious identification over national identification, even if the latter is hardly my favourite thing ever.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN including the 'private' religious schools.

See, that's the fucked part. A private business should be allowed to fire whomever they want on ethical grounds [pending certain rights granted by government] but if people are being fired over religious issues, that should be the end of state funding.

No doubt this sort of shit happens in the US as well. We really should start taxing churches, too.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On We really should start taxing churches, too.

imagine trying to do that. you'd end up on a cross for sure!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On See, that's the fucked part. A private business should be allowed to fire whomever they want on ethical grounds [pending certain rights granted by government] but if people are being fired over religious issues, that should be the end of state funding. No doubt this sort of shit happens in the US as well. We really should start taxing churches, too.

so what are the ethical grounds for the prohibition of the national anthem?

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