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well, i have taken up the decision to move back home to europe. i will be selling most, if not all of my possessions here and taking a little deposit out to do this. i know i can go to a studio, pay some cash per hour and record there, but i like doing shit myself and knowing i have the gear just in case.

so, i'll be starting a little one room studio once i get home. budget isn't THAT clear as of yet but i'm guessing it will be around $25k.

what i'm really looking for isn't too much of an expansive list of synthesizers and that whole blah blah, just a wide range of QUALITY gear that sounds good, has good reputation and isn't going to trainwreck on me within the first few months of work.

so, some spitballing here as to what i've been looking at:

Euphonix MC artist series - 1 MC control and 3 MC mix
Apogee ensemble (logic user)
roland tr-909 (just because i've wanted one, not so much sure about the 303, think i will pass on that and just invest time into developing a reaktor patch that will emulate it to my liking)

as for synths, i'm not sure, i played around with the v-synth and i really enjoyed it but it seems to have some negative comments here on the board, so just some clarification. i do want the david smith mopho as well, i love it, small, portable and great sound. i want a moog but then again i don't feel like spending half on fucking synths when it's easy to emulate many to liking.

not too hardcore on mics, won't be doing many vocals but i did look into blue snowball, cheap and affordable with good reviews. as for a pre-amp, i'm still open. i was looking at the universal-audio solo 610 but need to do a bit more research. i have a couple guitars so i'm glad that is taken care of, again just a quality pre-amp, nothing OVER the top, 800$ price-range is great like the 610.

i'll probably look into a computer solely for logic, mac pro, possibly the two 3.0ghz quad, 2gb ram, i won't be buying more ram from apple, fuck paying 500$ for 4gb, will just get them from another place.

and one of the most important parts...the space in which i want to build this all is about 10 meters by 8 meters, i'll also invest in good acoustics but i am in dire need of quality monitors i can count on, any input?

thanks bitches, any input into here would be dandy.

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Originally posted by jupiterone thanks bitches

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Originally posted by jupiterone well, i have taken up the decision to move back home to europe. i will be selling most, if not all of my possessions here and taking a little deposit out to do this. i know i can go to a studio, pay some cash per hour and record there, but i like doing shit myself and knowing i have the gear just in case. so, i'll be starting a little one room studio once i get home. budget isn't THAT clear as of yet but i'm guessing it will be around $25k. what i'm really looking for isn't too much of an expansive list of synthesizers and that whole blah blah, just a wide range of QUALITY gear that sounds good, has good reputation and isn't going to trainwreck on me within the first few months of work. so, some spitballing here as to what i've been looking at: Euphonix MC artist series - 1 MC control and 3 MC mix Apogee ensemble (logic user) roland tr-909 (just because i've wanted one, not so much sure about the 303, think i will pass on that and just invest time into developing a reaktor patch that will emulate it to my liking) as for synths, i'm not sure, i played around with the v-synth and i really enjoyed it but it seems to have some negative comments here on the board, so just some clarification. i do want the david smith mopho as well, i love it, small, portable and great sound. i want a moog but then again i don't feel like spending half on fucking synths when it's easy to emulate many to liking. not too hardcore on mics, won't be doing many vocals but i did look into blue snowball, cheap and affordable with good reviews. as for a pre-amp, i'm still open. i was looking at the universal-audio solo 610 but need to do a bit more research. i have a couple guitars so i'm glad that is taken care of, again just a quality pre-amp, nothing OVER the top, 800$ price-range is great like the 610. i'll probably look into a computer solely for logic, mac pro, possibly the two 3.0ghz quad, 2gb ram, i won't be buying more ram from apple, fuck paying 500$ for 4gb, will just get them from another place. and one of the most important parts...the space in which i want to build this all is about 10 meters by 8 meters, i'll also invest in good acoustics but i am in dire need of quality monitors i can count on, any input? thanks bitches, any input into here would be dandy.

I aint yo' biznatch, however.........

You're asking quite a bit and reckon it might be better to split the thread up in sections....


Check out this thread for more details on acoustics - maybe if you post your room treatment related questions in there we could help some others too.

I've had a lot of experience with the Euphonix kit (both pro and the consumer artist series you mention) and also studied acoustics. The artist series are very good and opting for an mc control with mc mix is a good idea - the mc mix is not enough on it's own, and know several composers who returned them because of their limitations. Be careful though, I'm not sure if they have resolved it but the mix's disn;t transmit standard midi messages (expression etc.), just their own proprietary data. Not a problem if you're setting up from scrtach and don't have set ways of composing, but if you have all manner of templates and pre-set ways of working with midi messages, you find them a real pain in the arse.

They are very stable, feel great to use (same faders as used in the MC 5 pro desks, which is nearly the industry standard for film score mixing/post), have a small footprint and unlike other automap promises from other brands, this one actually works! Probably the nest small controllers on the market IMO. Are you buying them here or in Europe (let me know because I know the Euphonix guys... ). Oh yeah they also integrate with logic like they were born at the same time.

Can't really help you on synths apart from experience with moog - the voyager does sound really, really good, but some of the softsynths come incredibly close at a fraction of the cost so I'm not sure it's worth it, unless you want the hands on feel. That said, they are fun to use and the filters are simply outstanding, in 8 years, have not been able to find any that sound as good as the voyager's.

Don't bother with the 303. They are a fucking pain to program, the manual makes little to no sense and rebirth/reaktor has done a pretty good job for 10 years now that I can't see the point in spending the $1500 unless you just won the lottery and just have to have one.

Apogee ensemble is great. Look no further. The interfaces are a doddle to set up, the latency is non existant and they sound beautiful. Slight "apogee sound" but it's never bothered me and I'd take them over PT HD anytime. Same again, were meant for Logic.

The Blue snowball is an excellent mic for the money and a good all rounder.

909, never been a fan and it doesn't do anything that isn't available elsewhere for cheaper, but if you've always wanted one......

As for monitors, well if you read Eric J's thread, I think you won't need to look much further - would be a very nice combo for the kit you're planning.


http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...670&forumid=48&

hope this helps and let me know on the other thread about the acoustics....

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...784#post9368784

thank you very much rann, will check those links out.

as for where i want to buy this stuff...i'm not sure. i'm not sure how the overall price would compare between buying here or there...plus i sort of live in the boonies in europe, country side right near the ukrainian border

i'd probably prefer buying things here and just shipping it out by cargo with the rest of the things i'd be sending from this home

I wish I had $25,000 to construct my own studio.

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Originally posted by jupiterone thank you very much rann, will check those links out. as for where i want to buy this stuff...i'm not sure. i'm not sure how the overall price would compare between buying here or there...plus i sort of live in the boonies in europe, country side right near the ukrainian border i'd probably prefer buying things here and just shipping it out by cargo with the rest of the things i'd be sending from this home

No probs. Well, the euphonix and apogee will almost certainly be cheaper here, but apple is apple just about wherever you go and I wouldn't want to have to pay the import taxes on a pro, but I'm sure there's ways around customs in that neck of the woods. Probably best to ship it with the other stuff...just remember to open the boxes first and say that you've owned them for more than six months.....

I wouldn't have a clue of how to buy the stuff there either - I doubt there's much of a high end audio industry there (is there)?

Just out of interest, how come you're moving back anyway?

i just can't stand living here anymore, that's basically it, i'm a person that likes culture, there is none here. back home in europe, i feel much more comfortable and i have many friends that share the same music interests/production interest as me, so that will benefit me a lot more since i'll be able to collaborate with people, plus my entire family is living there.

the problem with such a budget is you tend to want to add a bit more simply because it's a much more expansive budget. adding what you want and not what you need

i have some time with this, i'll be moving back around summer next year, maybe even later and will be working on refurbishing the room which i will be building this in.

the room however is around 1 foot thick brick/cement walls which i prefer over dry wall a million times but again i think i should wait on the acoustics until i'm there to see how it reacts to the over-all sound in the space

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Originally posted by jupiterone i just can't stand living here anymore, that's basically it, i'm a person that likes culture, there is none here. back home in europe, i feel much more comfortable and i have many friends that share the same music interests/production interest as me, so that will benefit me a lot more since i'll be able to collaborate with people, plus my entire family is living there.

I know what you mean. I love it out here but I do miss some of the culture, and even little things like being able to walk down the street and see just an average building that might be 200 years old.

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Originally posted by jupiterone the problem with such a budget is you tend to want to add a bit more simply because it's a much more expansive budget. adding what you want and not what you need

yeah but you have to look at it like you have slightly less of a budget so you buy the things you need then burn the rest on the wants. If find it you look at the whole sum you start thinking about the sit you'd like rather than what would really make sense, but a lesser budget makes you think more economically.

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Originally posted by jupiterone i have some time with this, i'll be moving back around summer next year, maybe even later and will be working on refurbishing the room which i will be building this in. the room however is around 1 foot thick brick/cement walls which i prefer over dry wall a million times but again i think i should wait on the acoustics until i'm there to see how it reacts to the over-all sound in the space

Absolutely, there's no point at all to think about acoustic at this stage unless it's a building site and you have some say in the design and materials. If it's a case of making a room fit to you after it's already built, then there's really no point in guessing until you're in there and can try some stuff out.

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Originally posted by jupiterone i just can't stand living here anymore, that's basically it, i'm a person that likes culture, there is none here. back home in europe, i feel much more comfortable and i have many friends that share the same music interests/production interest as me, so that will benefit me a lot more since i'll be able to collaborate with people, plus my entire family is living there.

Haha, tell me about it! I've lived in the same city (San Antonio) for six years and never once met anyone else who's interested in producing electronic music, and only a few people who even like listening to it. One of the joys of visiting my parents in Fort Worth is being able to make music and talk about production with my best friend. I don't have any friends who like that stuff around here.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Haha, tell me about it! I've lived in the same city (San Antonio) for six years and never once met anyone else who's interested in producing electronic music, and only a few people who even like listening to it. One of the joys of visiting my parents in Fort Worth is being able to make music and talk about production with my best friend. I don't have any friends who like that stuff around here.

hang on, I've seen at least a couple of producers on here from San Antonio?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN hang on, I've seen at least a couple of producers on here from San Antonio?

I know of one (Zild). I've never met him in person, though.

Are you the only person using this studio? Or are you charging others to use it.

If you are charging others you would probably want to get some of the popular stuff that you may not really want. If its just for your personal use be prepared for my dream studio list.

mainly personal

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Don't bother with the 303. They are a fucking pain to program, the manual makes little to no sense and rebirth/reaktor has done a pretty good job for 10 years now that I can't see the point in spending the $1500 unless you just won the lottery and just have to have one. http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...784#post9368784

Why does everyone say this? The TB-303's sequencer is very easy to program, especially if you have worked with clones of it.

What part are you moving to? Poland?

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Haha, tell me about it! I've lived in the same city (San Antonio) for six years and never once met anyone else who's interested in producing electronic music, and only a few people who even like listening to it. One of the joys of visiting my parents in Fort Worth is being able to make music and talk about production with my best friend. I don't have any friends who like that stuff around here.

If your come to Austin we should hang out! Maybe we can have a TA (tranceaddic) Texas Party Ill cook the BBQ!

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Originally posted by atxbigballer1 If your come to Austin we should hang out! Maybe we can have a a TI Texas Party Ill cook the BBQ!

Sounds good.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles Haha, tell me about it! I've lived in the same city (San Antonio) for six years and never once met anyone else who's interested in producing electronic music, and only a few people who even like listening to it. One of the joys of visiting my parents in Fort Worth is being able to make music and talk about production with my best friend. I don't have any friends who like that stuff around here.

Must be a Texas thing, because its pretty much the same thing here in Dallas. I have maybe one or two friends who are even aware of what quality dance music is, but they are just casual fans, certainly not producers. We always joke that we live in the wrong country.

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Originally posted by Watts Why does everyone say this? The TB-303's sequencer is very easy to program, especially if you have worked with clones of it. What part are you moving to? Poland?

przemysl

That's pretty close to my roommate's place. I'm trying to hit up Polska over the summer.

where is your roommate living? i usually go every summer for a few months

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Why does everyone say this? The TB-303's sequencer is very easy to program, especially if you have worked with clones of it

I agree. The original 303 is VERY easy to program. You just tap in the notes you want. Then the timing of the notes. Then simply go through each note one by one and apply slide, accent, octave up/down to whichever notes you want.

If you like the moog sound, go for a voyager, model d or a moog source. I have a voyager and have also played with both an original model d and a source. They absoultely completely blow away the software versions. The difference in sound is massive when you play them side by side.

Apogee converters are a safe bet, i personally would go for lynx instead.

If you have a spare bit of cash to spend. I would definately consider getting the prophet 08 rather than the mopho. The mopho is just a stripped down 1 voice monophonic version of the p08 with a sub oscillator.

909 is a great bit of kit, very fun to use, but most people i know never use theirs as they sound dated. Much easier to get a few good sample libraries or a modern drum machine.

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Why does everyone say this? The TB-303's sequencer is very easy to program, especially if you have worked with clones of it

I agree. The original 303 is VERY easy to program. You just tap in the notes you want. Then the timing of the notes. Then simply go through each note one by one and apply slide, accent, octave up/down to whichever notes you want.

If you like the moog sound, go for a voyager, model d or a moog source. I have a voyager and have also played with both an original model d and a source. They absoultely completely blow away the software versions. The difference in sound is massive when you play them side by side.

Apogee converters are a safe bet, i personally would go for lynx instead.

If you have a spare bit of cash to spend. I would definately consider getting the prophet 08 rather than the mopho. The mopho is just a stripped down 1 voice monophonic version of the p08 with a sub oscillator.

909 is a great bit of kit, very fun to use, but most people i know never use theirs as they sound dated. Much easier to get a few good sample libraries or a modern drum machine.

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