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FBI: Blago wanted payoff to give Obama adviser Senate seat By: Jonathan Martin and Carrie Budoff Brown December 9, 2008 01:22 PM EST Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was captured on tape saying that unless he received �something real good� for the appointment of a top adviser to Barack Obama to fill the president-elect�s Senate seat he would appoint himself, according to the criminal complaint. Federal prosecutors allege that Blagojevich explored one possible quid-pro-quo � he�d appoint a top adviser to Obama in exchange for Obama giving Blagojevich the post as as secretary of health and human services. The indictment makes clear the Obama adviser is Valerie Jarrett, now an Obama White House aide. �Unless I get something real good [for Senate candidate 1], s***, I�ll just send myself, you know what I�m saying,� Blagojevich was taped saying on Nov. 3, the day before Election Day. Blagojevich, a Democrat, added that the Senate seat: �is a f***ing valuable thing, you just don�t give it away for nothing.� In announcing the indictment, federal prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said of Blagojevich: �The conduct would make Lincoln roll over in his grave. . . Governor Blagojevich has taken us to a truly new low. He attempted to sell a Senate seat.� As for Obama, Fitzgerald said, �I�m not going to speak to what the president-elect knew. We make no allegations that he�s aware of anything.� Obama�s transition team did not immediately respond to a request for comment. The charges upend the process of filling the open Senate seat and threaten to subject the president-elect to an onslaught of press scrutiny about what he knew about the investigation. The governor and his chief of staff John Harris were also charged with demanding the firing of members of the Chicago Tribune�s editorial board in exchange for helping the Tribune Co. with the sale of Chicago�s Wrigley Field. Blagojevich also was caught on federal wiretaps saying he was interested in private sector jobs as well, including a well-paid position on a foundation board, or millions of dollars for a nonprofit organization that he would run after leaving office, according to a 78-page federal criminal complaint. Additionally, Blagojevich sought a seat for his wife on corporate boards where she could reap significant salaries. The complaint details conversations between Blagojevich and Tony Rezko, a major Chicago fundraiser and one-time benefactor to Obama. "I want to make money," the affidavit quotes the governor as saying. The Illinois Republican Party called on the governor to resign his office effective immediately. �If Governor Blagojevich does not resign his position, we urge the General Assembly to move swiftly with impeachment proceedings,� the party said in a statement. �Furthermore, Governor Blagojevich should not, under this cloud of extremely serious allegations, appoint a United States Senator. While there is a presumption of innocence, in these troubling economic times, the people�s work should be placed ahead of Governor Blagojevich�s legal troubles.� http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16348.html

Here we go again. So lets hear it 23%ers, you know you've been waiting for something.

I've been following this all day, pretty sure Obama had absolutely no involvement whatsoever.

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Originally posted by Alex I've been following this all day, pretty sure Obama had absolutely no involvement whatsoever.

Seriously.

That seems true, apparently page 66 of the indictment covers that Blagojevich was pissed, because Obama refused to do anything for him. No bribe, no payoff, nothing.

Not that it is going to appease the naysayers. They'll bring up Rezko and try to make Obama sound guilty by association.

The press conference was "bleeping" hilarious. I highly recommend it.

Politics Chicago style. Could be the dumbest racket ever attempted by a major politician... He knew the U.S. Attorney was investigating him, he knew he couldn't trust his cronies that had been rolling over on him the past couple of months, and yet he was still willing to talk openly about selling a seat in the United States Senate?

Jeez, wtf? unfukkinbelievable

...btw Tony Rezko

i thought this was just how things worked in politics? not that im saying i agree with it of course, but its pretty standard fare i would have thought "you scratch my back and ill vote this way on the amendment" etc :/

Obama what?


This is about as much of an Obama scandal as Mark Foley was a Bush scandal.

josh4 likes penis.

kinda sketchy here...

Obama today: "I had no contact with the governor or his office and so I was not aware of what was happening," Obama told reporters today in Chicago. "It's a sad day for Illinois. Beyond that, I don't think it's appropriate to comment.


Axelrod on November 23rd saying Obama has talked to the governor (1:23 mark of the video).



...followed by an Obama aide today saying Axlerod "misspoke" on the 23rd:

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An Obama aide, speaking on the condition of anonymity, took back David Axelrod's remark last month that Barack Obama and Rod Blagojevich had spoken recently.

Then right after that, Axlerod with the predicted "oh yeah, I didn't really mean it... they never spoke" statement:

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I was mistaken when I told an interviewer last month that the President-elect has spoken directly to Governor Blagojevich about the Senate vacancy. They did not then or at any time discuss the subject.

Under the bus goes Axlerod now

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensm...x_misspoke.html

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Originally posted by Clovis Obama what? This is about as much of an Obama scandal as Mark Foley was a Bush scandal.

read the indictment >PDF LINK<

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Originally posted by The17sss Under the bus goes Axlerod now

that bus is a mother****** ain't it? well after Nov 4 that bitch is just ROLLIN

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Originally posted by Clovis Obama what? This is about as much of an Obama scandal as Mark Foley was a Bush scandal.

You know, I thought of this exact analogy earlier today at work. Republicans are really stretching to tie this to Obama in any way possible, when in reality, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone - liberal or conservative - defending Blagojevich.

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov You know, I thought of this exact analogy earlier today at work. Republicans are really stretching to tie this to Obama in any way possible, when in reality, I think you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone - liberal or conservative - defending Blagojevich.

Not republicans, 23%ers, the flip of Bush's approval ratings. Why would anyone defend Blagojevich? He is already old news, forgotten, a technicality. As usual the story is Obama. WWWWH?

For me it is quite reassuring of Obama's capacity to navigate delicate political climates. Somehow, someway, he was able to come out of this amazingly corrupt state unscathed and be elected President. After all their digging, the only ammunition critics have are flimsy by-association connections.

Who the fuck is Blagojevich? Only now are we hearing about the Governor of the state from which Obama announced his candidacy! Never at any campaign rallies, never pictured together. Obama kept his distance.

Anyone that thinks this is going to actually impact Obama taking oath is fooling themselves. It will be a top story for some time but that's all. The man is a step away from the most powerful position in the world.

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Originally posted by josh4 For me it is quite reassuring of Obama's capacity to navigate delicate political climates. Somehow, someway, he was able to come out of this amazingly corrupt state unscathed and be elected President. After all their digging, the only ammunition critics have are flimsy by-association connections.

you realize you're relying entirely on the media in order for you to make that assumption, right?

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Who the fuck is Blagojevich? Only now are we hearing about the Governor of the state from which Obama announced his candidacy! Never at any campaign rallies, never pictured together. Obama kept his distance.

here, you're relying on your own ignorance (for lack of a better word)

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Anyone that thinks this is going to actually impact Obama taking oath is fooling themselves. It will be a top story for some time but that's all. The man is a step away from the most powerful position in the world.

i can't speak for anyone but i don't think Obama will take an oath either. i don't have some bizarre obbsesion about it anyway. my point is wtf was this "new politics" we've been choke-slammed with since the 2006 mid-terms?

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Originally posted by Q5echo you realize you're relying entirely on the media in order for you to make that assumption, right?

Oh go clean your gun or whatever it is you do to appease your xenophobia. You fucking sound like a conspiracy theorist. Tell you what, I'll make a thread about how the secret-terrorist illegal alien Barrack Hussein Obama is out to destroy America and the main stream liberal media that's in on it. You can hash out the details with all the nuts from the 9/11 threads and pkcRAISTLIN can moderate.

The President-elect has been running possibly the best transitions in modern history. The majority of the public (republicans, democrats and independents) has shown approval for his decisions, and appointments. The man is fucking moving markets and he isn't President yet. Most of the appointments are centrist figures. He could bring about world peace and you'd still be talking shady associations.

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here, you're relying on your own ignorance (for lack of a better word)

Actually I'm relying on my recollection of a Reuters article.

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"Obama had the good sense to stay far, far away from Blagojevich and all of his people," said Democratic consultant Dane Strother. "You never saw Blagojevich in Obama's camp, you never saw his name during the campaign. Obama's people were plenty smart enough to stay way away from Blagojevich and all the people around Blagojevich," he said. http://www.reuters.com/article/poli...lBrandChannel=0

Not that you'd be interested in the liberal media in on the conspiracy.

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i can't speak for anyone but i don't think Obama will take an oath either. i don't have some bizarre obbsesion about it anyway. my point is wtf was this "new politics" we've been choke-slammed with since the 2006 mid-terms?

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying you don't think Obama will make it to inauguration? Even I don't think you could possibly be that oblivious to reality. How wonderful is it after the election you take a sabbatical from PDD only to pop in on the first sight of trouble.

im sure that was a typo from Q5. what on earth could stop him from taking the oath?

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Originally posted by josh4 Oh go clean your gun or whatever it is you do to appease your xenophobia. You fucking sound like a conspiracy theorist. Tell you what, I'll make a thread about how the secret-terrorist illegal alien Barrack Hussein Obama is out to destroy America and the main stream liberal media that's in on it. You can hash out the details with all the nuts from the 9/11 threads and pkcRAISTLIN can moderate.

well, i tried to be civil with you Josh but you leave me no choice but to bury your dumbass in simple logic. here we go, lets look at your next statement...

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Actually I'm relying on my recollection of a Reuters article.

YOU JUST PROVED MY FIRST POINT JACKASS. way to rely on the media and your own ignorance of Chicago machine politics.

Barrack Obama, Rahm Emmanuel (president elect's Chief of Staff) and David Wilhelm were Blago's top advisors for his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. does that one fact flunk the Josh4 smell test? you want more?

my point is, your first assumption - " he was able to come out of this amazingly corrupt state unscathed and be elected President." - is a silly one...based on silliness.

your argument is based on your assertion that he [Obama] was elected therefore he's not a criminal, or at least dubious, questionable, untrustworthy in some way whatever.

let me ask you this Einstein, you think Bush is a criminal right? or at the very least dubious right? wasn't he elected? now stfu.

you never saw Blago with Obama this year because because Blago's approval rating in Illinois all year was anywhere around 4-12%. that Rueters article never mentions that fact does it? you're stupid, dude. a media driven sheep

btw, Tony Rezko.....

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I'm not sure what you're suggesting. Are you saying you don't think Obama will make it to inauguration?

i'm not even close to saying that.

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How wonderful is it after the election you take a sabbatical from PDD only to pop in on the first sight of trouble.

so? wtf does it matter?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN im sure that was a typo from Q5. what on earth could stop him from taking the oath?

it was. i thought Josh4 meant to testify under oath at Blago's trial.

Barack could very well testify under oath but i don't have some crazed axe to grind seeing it happen like we've seen in the past.

but just to clear up any confusion, yes, i believe Obama will take the oath of office Josh4 was originally referring to. i'm not that cynical.

Josh4 make's a lot of assuptions (because he's not at all bright) but one assumption he makes is i'm some gun toting, sister fucking, red neck just because my location says im from Texas. it couldn't be further from the truth. although i am from Texas, I'm Asian. i don't own a gun and have no current desire to...and the sister i'd tried to fingerbang when i was 12 was actually by marriage, a step-sister.

im gonna enjoy the next 8 years of this i reckon we havent seen the half of Q5 V opus yet!!

to be honest, i dont care if obama is a criminal. the republicans dug such a huge hole for themselves that unless obama is caught diddling some 5 year old, there's very little the GOP can do until 2016.

tough titties gentlemen!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN to be honest, i dont care if obama is a criminal.

i don't think he is either, but i've never once thought he was who he claims be either. anyone that has is just not paying attention.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i don't think he is either, but i've never once thought he was who he claims be either. anyone that has is just not paying attention.

Just for one second I'd like to see you guys hold an equal lens to other politicians.

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Originally posted by Clovis Just for one second I'd like to see you guys hold an equal lens to other politicians.

let me guess, you're refering to GWB?

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Originally posted by Q5echo let me guess, you're refering to GWB?

Pretty much anyone actually.

But yes, the current president would be nice.

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