Do you believe in heaven? or hell?

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Posted by SgtFoo on Jun-05-2002 15:59:

Do you believe in heaven? or hell?

DO you believe in heaven? why?
Do you believe in hell? why?
neither? who cares. (why?)

Posted by Dj Martijn on Jun-05-2002 16:27:

Well where is the option.. i believe in both? i'm sure many ppl do. incidently i do not believe in either. this is a myth which has no background evidence to support it. i believe it i only said 2 make ppl act in a more 'friendly' manner whilst on earth so as not to go to hell. the bible talks of 'hades' but we today take this in the wrong context i believe

Posted by torontotrance on Jun-06-2002 01:48:

There is both...in the christian religion, we believe there is both.

Posted by fastmp3 on Jun-06-2002 02:47:

i believe in both

Posted by SgtFoo on Jun-06-2002 17:34:

y'know...you're right I fergot ...ppl believe in both.... if any moderators see this...plz add the "both" option to my poll please!!
I do believe in both.

Posted by davinox on Jun-06-2002 23:35:

yeah...my molecules have a "soul" which is "me" while all other molecules do not...

i thought I was just a bunch of organs, why would i go to a "heaven" or "hell"...

basically.... NO. It's bullshit.

Posted by IronDragon on Jun-07-2002 17:20:

Doesn't there arise a huge metaphysical dilemma if there isn't both?

Posted by Kia Kaha on Jun-07-2002 22:11:

Of course there's a heaven ... haven't any of you heard of Gatecrasher @ NEC?

Posted by Noisician on Jun-07-2002 22:31:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox

basically.... NO. It's bullshit.

my thoughts exactly!

complete BULLSHIT!

Posted by Stanza on Jun-09-2002 01:49:

I believe in both. Catholics believe in a place called Purgatory. It's a place or time where people go before they are judged.
Personally I don't believe in this ,I'm not Catholic and I just think it doesn't make sense.
Other ppl believe in some weird stuff like 'limbo'.

Posted by Dj Martijn on Jun-09-2002 19:35:

OK "christians". Please anser me this not meaning to sound horrible. but u say ur beliefs are based on the bible? please tell me where it speaks of ppl going to heaven to be with god whejn they die? i think ull find it says "the body is conscious of nothing" or in other words what has already been said....its "BULL****"

Posted by Coup on Jun-09-2002 21:48:

quote:
Originally posted by SgtFoo
plz add the "both" option to my poll please!!

Added

Posted by davinox on Jun-10-2002 04:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Stanza
I believe in both. Catholics believe in a place called Purgatory. It's a place or time where people go before they are judged.
Personally I don't believe in this ,I'm not Catholic and I just think it doesn't make sense.
Other ppl believe in some weird stuff like 'limbo'.

many catholics believe that Earth is purgatory.

Posted by Trancer85 on Jun-10-2002 04:59:

Im catholic and there is heaven and hell...however i believe only in heaven

Posted by dig2k on Jun-10-2002 13:16:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox
basically.... NO. It's bullshit.

quote:
Originally posted by USSR Junkie
my thoughts exactly!
complete BULLSHIT!

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Martijn
OK "christians". Please anser me this not meaning to sound horrible. but u say ur beliefs are based on the bible? please tell me where it speaks of ppl going to heaven to be with god whejn they die? i think ull find it says "the body is conscious of nothing" or in other words what has already been said....its BULL****

Thanks for not being offensive to/mean/nasty/critical of christians and for not using any emotive language. Real good of you. I can see you took the time to be diplomatic and avoid upsetting anyone by saying what christians believe in is bullshit and not just saying no I don't believe in heaven & hell or even giving some reasons...

I believe in both heaven & hell.

Posted by Dj Martijn on Jun-10-2002 17:02:

i must say i am sorry. U R right. i meant to put quotation marks round mine to refer to what has already been said. i would not have put it so bluntly, which is y i used ****'s. May I ask Y u believe in both?

Posted by davinox on Jun-11-2002 06:40:

quote:
Originally posted by dig2k

Thanks for not being offensive to/mean/nasty/critical of christians and for not using any emotive language. Real good of you. I can see you took the time to be diplomatic and avoid upsetting anyone by saying what christians believe in is bullshit and not just saying no I don't believe in heaven & hell or even giving some reasons...

I believe in both heaven & hell.

ok, u want some reasons?

first of all, for all observing purposes, we are carbon-based lifeforms in a large, single entity called the Universe. We die, we decompose, we are concious because we have self-aware brains.
No magic, no souls, no anything.

Now there is this idea that there is a Heaven and Hell brought forth by PEOPLE (not from God's booming voice, but by people.) and certain requirements to get to each. Now this is not a rare occurance that would mean something remarkable must have happened, like God talking to those people. No, it happened in practically every society, but all in many different ways.

Tell me how you can pick one idea created by people, defying all observation, out of the thousands of similar ideas, and claim that is correct? What are the odds that this group of humans is right? Why should any of them be right?

Basically, the ideas of souls and heaven and hell, God and Jesus, are spectacular claims, therefore they need spectacular evidence. They have none. Why can't we just observe and discover, rather than assume that "the bible and Jesus are the answer." or the Koran, or Buddha, or the Native American spirits, or Greek/Roman mythology...

The only way we can learn about our universe is to discover and observe, not to assume rediculous claims.

Posted by Slylee on Jun-11-2002 07:21:

THIS IS HELL!! hehehe

jk i believe in both

Posted by dig2k on Jun-12-2002 13:24:

nm...................................ignore me

Posted by davinox on Jun-14-2002 06:33:

quote:
Originally posted by dig2k
nm...................................ignore me

did you convert to atheism? w00t!

Posted by Spyder on Jun-15-2002 23:48:

I dont belive in eather hell or heaven..

i belive that everyone no matter good or bad. goes to the same place..

Posted by dig2k on Jun-17-2002 19:13:

quote:
Originally posted by davinox

did you convert to atheism? w00t!

ROFL nice1, no jus din't want 2 argue

Posted by fieroavian on Jun-20-2002 01:12:

i believe in both, as i'm a Christian.

quote:
Originally posted by Julie_Spyder
i belive that everyone no matter good or bad. goes to the same place..

Julie, may i ask why?

Posted by ScuL on Jun-23-2002 18:11:

neither!

Posted by Orbax on Jun-30-2002 04:42:

Im sure davinox will agree with me.

BOTH are real

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