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I noticed that many djs have their own strategies about making a set, but I have a few questions. I have downloaded many songs that people recommended on this site, and well they are sort of "quiet". Dont get me wrong, I have total respect for those artists and songs, one being pvd himself. But a few times when I have dropped a few "quiet" songs, like that new madonna song from ultra2k, I get most of the crowd going to sit down, or sarcastically telling me to play something they can dance to. Some examples of these "quiet" songs, are stuff from pvd's albums, tiesto's stuff, and anything that wont get them dancing their asses off. Im a little confused, can someone set me strait.

I am not a DJ at all,but I do understand what u mean by 'quiet' songs.May be crowd wants harder stuff like Johan Gielen or say Picotto spin?
I'll just let the others explain it to u...
Take care.

Great Question

I was wondering the same thing myself, maybe its the lack of knowladge by the average clubber in North America about Trance... I mean look at all the Europeans go crazy when the quiet parts kick in, because they know whats coming

I've often thought that being a DJ here you really have to sacrifice some of the music you love to appease the less knowladgeable crowds in NA, its so sad to see even a more Trancy club play top 40, R&B, Hip-pop, etc... Just to appease to crowds...

I truly believe from what I have seen that any DJ's in NA probably don't play exactly what they would like because of the crowds they play for.. Hope that makes sense

Cheers,

Thor......

Rank 1

I think a prime example of something that would do badly in a north american crowd would be that set that Rank 1 did at trance energy, check out the video here on TA..... The crowd goes mad in quiet parts, chanting, yelling, just having a blast...

I just can't see that happening if you were to replace that entire crowd with NAmericans

Cheers,

Thor.....

I agree with Thor. It seems most Americans go clubbing to dance, strictly for the rush...not to actually hear and feel the music.


Hope that makes some sort of sense
Regards
Lexi

quiet "beatless" music... is often played to balance the crowd out.. although individually, they might not work well with a crowd.. if ya good.. u know exactly when to drop them.. i don't know how to explain when.. but at certain times.. the crowd just wants ta like float away... thats the moment when a 'quiet' track comes in..
to relate.. its basically taking the 'groove' in any song.. extend it.. and there ya go..

I think it can be done in NA but you better be ready to get things moving again quickly. If the fans really appreciate the music they wil go crazy, but if they don't get something else on there quickly. Plus if they dont like the quiet parts they won't realize you do something stupid like throwing on another record too quickly. Ugh...I think I just told you to pull a Dj Skribble. I sincerely apologize. But in a way its true. Just watch the crowd and play to them, which might not be your perfect idea of what a dj set should be. peas.

Well put, Biz...had the same idea, but mangled it beyond recognition.

Regards
Lexi

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Originally posted by lexiconavenue I agree with Thor. It seems most Americans go clubbing to dance, strictly for the rush...not to actually hear and feel the music. Lexi

Thats bullshit. In NYC, We go to Twilo to hear the muzik & then to dance.

DJXtronic, Pvd's album isn't a dancing compliation. Most DJ's don't put what they play live on albums. & When Pvd drops For an Angel, Another Way, Out There & Back, Face to Face, Together We will Conquer the crowd goes wild.

Hey i was reading this likle learn to beatmix thing on the internet the other day , and it was confusing as fuck and really of no use, but it had this kinda tips thing, and it had one tip that just when the crowd are really starting to get into the stuff your playing and the dancefloor is packed, get the lighting guy to when you say cut the lights. When he does this you stop the turntable thast playing. Then, supposedly, everyone will think there's a powercut or you fucked up or something, and then suddenly BANG you thump the lights back up and play something really mental, and it should drive the place crazy.

I think this could sound unbelievably shit if it was mistimed, or could be quite good. What ya's think


Anyways, peace

I think if u fucked up your set already you might as well go for it. But if your set has been tight and without (m)any mistakes. I wouldnt do it. You the could fuck up a perfectly good set.
I your good at that little trick, do it anytime you want if your confident and sure you can pull it off.

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess Thats bullshit. In NYC, We go to Twilo to hear the muzik & then to dance. DJXtronic, Pvd's album isn't a dancing compliation. Most DJ's don't put what they play live on albums. & When Pvd drops For an Angel, Another Way, Out There & Back, Face to Face, Together We will Conquer the crowd goes wild.

Easy there, Twilo. DJX was simply stating an opion [a damned good one, at that!!], one we are all entitled to.

The message I'm trying to convey is 78.968% of Americans like the regular lame-ass commercial dance tracks, and the UK is 78.968 underground. Sound better?? :P




Lexi

i guess trance is still not doing well in US..u mite have to wait long before u can play real "quiet" stuff.

i'd agree with thor...the crowd goes wild in many pvd sets during the quieter parts...especially during that untitled song of his that he plays.

one more thing is that the crowd should be familiar with the song...

i guess the best option is to play some popular Rank1 and PVD stuff....

Oh yeah...that reminds me of one more thing. The DJ's identity plays a big role in crowd response too. Van Dyk or Oakenfold, some of the bigger, more known DJ's, will have more freedom in the selection of music they choose to expose the crowd to. The lesser known DJ usually has to go the crowd's direction and play hard, bangin tunes.

Lexi

Twilogoddess needs to relax........

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Originally posted by Twilogoddess Thats bullshit. In NYC, We go to Twilo to hear the muzik & then to dance. DJXtronic, Pvd's album isn't a dancing compliation. Most DJ's don't put what they play live on albums. & When Pvd drops For an Angel, Another Way, Out There & Back, Face to Face, Together We will Conquer the crowd goes wild.

So you think that NYC is just like the rest of North America? I wonder if Regina, Saskatchewan is as cool as NYC Clubs Me thinks not..

The European scene is so much more suffisticated than their North American counterparts in regards to the Trance scene..

Obviously there are clubs where the crowd is knowladgeable in NA, but those are the exception, not the rule. I bet even in the recent Ultra that a good portion of those people who went knew little about the music nor even knew most of the lesser name Dj's at the event....

Its too bad you have to get so upset over somebody's opinion, we should at least be cordial and respect one another.. That is afterall what this music is about, love, respect, etc.....

Cheers,

Thor.....

I'm not upset, It's a friggin message board. LOL I didn't think my post was that offensive. Aren't I allowed to express my opinion? I was insulted by Lexicon Avenue's remark that ppl in NA are clueless. The Twiloites & ppl that go Shadow lounge, Space every wk are extremely knowledgeable. How can the UK be underground if trance is on the radio?

Back here there are many clubbers that stop to dan,ce when there's a quiet part,and pick up their dance ,when the beat starts,they don't get cought up in the music,to my opinion,but who cares,usually I don't notice this,I noticed it on a day when I was ver tired and didn't dance that much

Twilo, why you should you feel insulted??? I checked my posted message 27 times, and not once did i see the word clueless. i do agree that new york city has many excellent clubs, along with a few other NA cities, but when the majority of music thats played on radio, television (see MTV), etc. etc. is brittney spears (she's so hot!) pop-esque type, then of course thats where im gonna draw my conclusion from. you proved my point by saying that the UK-ites play trance (plus a bunch more electronica) on the radio. they're more in touch with the clubbing scene, whether its underground, or "up-top".

they sure do grow then rough in the big apple

PS - I'm from NA too. Nice to meet you.

Regards
Lexi

NY has only 1 excellent club: Twilo. & the thousands that flock there every wkend for the muzik are very educated. The ppl who go to Sound Factory & Exit go there to get mangled & get laid. They're not musically educated w/new tracks, remixes or ids. All they know is Jonathan Peters, Tony Draper, & Boris. If they were real die hard muzik lovers they would be at Twilo.

NA is behind in the trance scene but the ppl that are into trance know their shit. I agree w/what ur sayin... I'm sure the crowd in Ohio wouldn't realize For an Angel is 3 yrs old.

*call me TG or Daphna* Sowwie if I came off as a bitch.

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