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Russia sending S-300 parts to Iran

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Russia has begun supplying parts for the advanced S-300 anti-aircraft missile defense system, according to an IRNA (Iranian national news agency) report on Sunday, which quoted Iranian politician Ismail Kosari. Iran and Russia, after years of negotiations, had finally struck a deal, Kosari was quoted as saying. According to Kosari, Iran's deputy chairman of the parliamentary commission on national security and foreign policy, Teheran will use the S-300 for border security. The Jerusalem Post could not immediately confirm the veracity of the report. Last week, Amos Gilad, the head of the Defense Ministry's Diplomatic-Security Bureau, urged Russia not to sell the S-300 to Iran. "The deliveries of dangerous armaments to our enemies won't serve the interests of peace and, for instance, can help Iran wipe Israel off the face of earth," Gilad was quoted by Interfax as saying. "So we expect Russia to demonstrate responsibility on the issue." Gilad was visiting Moscow and was quoted in response to a question about possible deliveries of the Russian S-300 air defense missiles to Iran. The S-300 is one of the most advanced multi-target anti-aircraft-missile systems in the world today and has a reported ability to track up to 100 targets simultaneously while engaging up to 12 at the same time. It has a range of about 200 kilometers and can hit targets at altitudes of 90,000 feet. The S-300 system was first deployed by the USSR in 1979 and was designed to defend large industrial and administrative facilities and military bases, and to control airspace against enemy aircraft. There are a number of countries throughout Europe in possession of the system, including Belarus, Bulgaria, Germany, Kazakhstan, Poland, Slovenia, Hungary, Ukraine and possibly Croatia.

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Finally some good news.

Iran has the right to defend itself just as any other nation would. And if Iran even attempted to "wipe Israel off the map", Iran itself would be "wiped off the map". How stupid can such an assertion be. It's fear mongering, pure and simple.

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Originally posted by Krypton Iran has the right to defend itself just as any other nation would. And if Iran even attempted to "wipe Israel off the map", Iran itself would be "wiped off the map". How stupid can such an assertion be. It's fear mongering, pure and simple.

I'm sorry, didn't explain what S-300 is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile)

Here, it says "surface-to-air missile".

Please explain how this ^^^^ can wipe out Israel out of the map?

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Originally posted by otec I'm sorry, didn't explain what S-300 is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile) Here, it says "surface-to-air missile". Please explain how this ^^^^ can wipe out Israel out of the map?

Quoting Amos Gilad, "The deliveries of dangerous armaments to our enemies won't serve the interests of peace and, for instance, can help Iran wipe Israel off the face of earth," Gilad was quoted by Interfax as saying. "So we expect Russia to demonstrate responsibility on the issue."

I am responding to that quote.

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Originally posted by Krypton Quoting Amos Gilad, "The deliveries of dangerous armaments to our enemies won't serve the interests of peace and, for instance, can help Iran wipe Israel off the face of earth," Gilad was quoted by Interfax as saying. "So we expect Russia to demonstrate responsibility on the issue." I am responding to that quote.

True, this quote doesn't have any sense.

Excellent news. Glad to see Iran is securing its boarders from possible threats.

This is going to hurt Iran when the US never invades.

Re: Re: Russia sending S-300 parts to Iran

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Originally posted by ******** I wanted to say = yah like russian arms helped Iraq --- but felt that if I ever want to travel to russia in the future with the new disent law I need to watch what I say. In response... SO WHAT.. to hell with regime change by force, stay out of foreign states domestic affairs. Nuff said. Fix your own country first.

LOL, a couple of AK47 that Iraq had, have helped to kill like how many 1000? US soliders. They didn't have anything else worthy from russian weaponary. Of course if you don't count some middle-age stuff from 60s.

OH WAIT! I forgot I want to travel to the US and eat some good fast food, and who knows maybe this forum is full of CIA agents. I don't really want to spend the rest of my days at guantanamo bay being nailed by some fat and brave US soldier.

apprently Iraq was trying to obtain WMD prior to the us invasion too

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Russian agents are so poor, that's why I think, they've decided to cover the 'stuff' in the sand until the rumble is over.

The bigger news was when they sold TOR M-1 systems to Iran, which are apparently very affective against extremely low altitude targets such as cruise missiles or, lets say Israeli F-16's.

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Originally posted by Krypton Iran has the right to defend itself just as any other nation would. And if Iran even attempted to "wipe Israel off the map", Iran itself would be "wiped off the map". How stupid can such an assertion be. It's fear mongering, pure and simple.

Considering Egypt and Syria tried to invade Israel 35 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran tried something.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The bigger news was when they sold TOR M-1 systems to Iran, which are apparently very affective against extremely low altitude targets such as cruise missiles or, lets say Israeli F-16's.

Absolutely. Besides, S-300's are now a shadow of what S-400's can do!

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Absolutely. Besides, S-300's are now a shadow of what S-400's can do!

True, the S-300/400 series (basically the same system with different radar systems and improved rocket motors for the missiles) are very capable systems. On par with PAC-3 and Standard Block IV in terms of engagement profiles, and nearly there in terms of accuracy and repsonse time.



The US still does not have something along the lines as TOR M-1, or the other short to medium range mobile SAM systems that the Russians seem to love.

I guess the theory was that in a conflict western forces would gain air superiority and they would have to fight through western air forces with surface systems. I would hate to be a SAM battalion commander for the Russians in that situation!

Nice, I hope Iran makes good use of it.

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Originally posted by Jake Benson Considering Egypt and Syria tried to invade Israel 35 years ago, I wouldn't be surprised if Iran tried something.

You're assuming the same political situation in the Middle East then and now, which is far from true. 35 years ago, the world wasn't focused on the middle east, they were focused on the Cold War. Also, the US wasn't so infatuated with Israel back then so much as they are now; politicians didn't wear Israeli pins in addition to their little American flag pins in 1967.

But I agree, Iran has every right to strengthen it's capability to defend itself. Every sovereign nation has the right to and should defend themselves from outside aggression and I fail to see how this could conceivably be used in an aggressive fashion, excepting defense of attacking Iranian forces, but Krypton already pointed out the flaw in that argument.

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Originally posted by Audigy7 But I agree, Iran has every right to strengthen it's capability to defend itself. Every sovereign nation has the right to and should defend themselves from outside aggression and I fail to see how this could conceivably be used in an aggressive fashion, excepting defense of attacking Iranian forces, but Krypton already pointed out the flaw in that argument.

Lets hope he was talking about the Bradley IFV and not that PAC-3 Patriot launcher behind him...

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Originally posted by otec Source Finally some good news.

How do Anti aircraft weapons help Iran wipe Isreal off the face of the map? Even an eraser would be more effective at that.

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Originally posted by otec I'm sorry, didn't explain what S-300 is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_(missile) Here, it says "surface-to-air missile". Please explain how this ^^^^ can wipe out Israel out of the map?

My thoughts exactly.

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Originally posted by ******** Offtopic but worth a post ha, no body sheild.. weird... you think adding a armoured body sheild to the front of that thing would totally improve combat capacities and yes it is a segway.

For fat soildiers!

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Lets hope he was talking about the Bradley IFV and not that PAC-3 Patriot launcher behind him...

I think he's talking about the white house :P

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Originally posted by atbell I think he's talking about the white house :P

i think ur talking about the capitol

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I guess the theory was that in a conflict western forces would gain air superiority and they would have to fight through western air forces with surface systems. I would hate to be a SAM battalion commander for the Russians in that situation!

If Iraqi soliders succeeded in shooting down the US aircraft with a help of old, really old SAM systems during so-called 'gain of air superiority", I really would hate to see American pilots going on any stupid missions again Iran, once they have installed and read the user manual to S-300.

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Originally posted by otec If Iraqi soliders succeeded in shooting down the US aircraft with a help of old, really old SAM systems during so-called 'gain of air superiority", I really would hate to see American pilots going on any stupid missions again Iran, once they have installed and read the user manual to S-300.

The US would suffer heavier losses than they have seen in the last 30 years if they went into Iran, but eventually they would gain control of the skies.

Granted, I would not want to be there for the first few thousand sorties...

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The US would suffer heavier losses than they have seen in the last 30 years if they went into Iran, but eventually they would gain control of the skies. Granted, I would not want to be there for the first few thousand sorties...

I would argue with that 'eventually' statement. They are not at home in Iran and 10 or how many aircrafts stationed on the US carriers can be easily shut down by S-300/TOR-1 systems.

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Originally posted by otec I would argue with that 'eventually' statement. They are not at home in Iran and 10 or how many aircrafts stationed on the US carriers can be easily shut down by S-300/TOR-1 systems.

Each Nimitz class has 80 aircraft on it. In the event of war there would most likely be 3 carrier strike groups in the Gulf. Thats 240 planes.

In the Indian Ocean there is Diego Garcia which can have a huge compliment of aircraft, mainly B-1, B-2, and B-52s as well as support aircraft such as tankers and AWACS. This base can support a long campaign.

Also there will be most likely a few SSN and SSGN subs in the area, SSGN (basically an Ohio class SSBN with its Tridents replaced with cruise missiles) can carry 192 Tomahawks.

There will be losses, yes, but there is no doubt in anyones mind, not even the Iranians that eventually the US would gain control of the skies.

Also, not at home in Iran? The sky is the same all over the globe.

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