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Does this get anyone riled up?

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NEW YORK � Crisscrossing the country in corporate jets may no longer fly in Detroit after car executives got a dressing down from Congress. But on Wall Street, the coveted executive perk has hardly been grounded. Six financial firms that received billions in bailout dollars still own and operate fleets of jets to carry executives to company events and sometimes personal trips, according to an Associated Press review. The jets serve as airborne offices, time-savers for executives for whom time is money � lots of money. And some firms are cutting back, either by selling the planes or leasing them. Still, Wall Street's reliance of the rarified mode of travel has largely escaped the scorn poured on the Big Three automakers. --------------------------------------------------------------------- But an AP review of Securities and Exchange Commission filings and FAA records offers a glimpse of Wall Street firms' ownership and use of private aircraft. Among the findings: � CITIGROUP: Has a wholly owned subsidiary, Citiflight Inc., that handles air travel for executives. Citi spokeswoman Shannon Bell refused to comment on the size of the firm's fleet but said it has been reduced by two-thirds over the past eight years. FAA records show four jets and a helicopter registered to the company. In 2007, then-CEO Charles Prince used company aircraft for personal trips for security reasons. Those trips cost the company $170,972 for that year. Current CEO Vikram Pandit began reimbursing the company for all personal travel on company planes since being appointed in November 2007. Use of Citigroup's aircraft currently is confined to a "limited number of executives," Bell said. "Executives are encouraged to fly commercial whenever possible to reduce expenses." � MORGAN STANLEY: Has reduced its executive jet fleet size from three planes to two since 2005, company spokesman Mark Lake said. FAA records show two Gulfstream G-Vs as registered to the company. In 2007, CEO John Mack's personal use of company aircraft totaled $355,882, according to a February proxy filing. Mack is required to use company aircraft for personal trips for security reasons. � JPMORGAN: Registered as the owner of four Gulfstream jets, including a 2007 ultra-long range flagship G550 model, FAA records show. A G550 ordered for delivery that year would have cost roughly $47.5 million. CEO Jamie Dimon is required to use company aircraft for personal trips; In 2007, his personal use of company jets totaled $211,182, according to a May filing with the SEC. Company spokesman Joe Evangelisti refused to comment on whether the bank has changed its policy on corporate aircraft use since accepting $25 billion in TARP money. � BANK OF AMERICA: Registered as the owner of nine planes, including four Gulfstreams, FAA records show. Company spokesman Scott Silvestri refused to say whether the company has changed its policy on corporate aircraft use since taking $15 billion in bailout money. CEO Kenneth Lewis, also required to use company aircraft for personal trips, racked up $127,643 in such travel last year, according to a March filing with the SEC. � WELLS FARGO: Owns a single jet that "is strictly for business purposes under appropriate circumstances," spokeswoman Julia Tunis Bernard said. "No (government) funds will be used for corporate jet travel," she added.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081222/ap_on_bi_ge/meltdown_corporate_jets

Thanks for making the text larger, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

Looking in the opposite direction will curb your anger.

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i dont understand how a cooperate executive can be so broke he cant afford to fly in style.

OH FUCK WE'RE ALL DEAD!

Re: Wall Street still flying corporate jets

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Originally posted by Krypton Does this get anyone riled up?

No

What, you thought they were actually in trouble? ha-ha.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Thanks for making the text larger, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

speak up stu, I can't hear you.

Does anyone else think that Krypton is kinda like that fat kid that no one likes in Bad Santa? Think about it, the kid just fucking talks about sandwiches all movie, but when that little faggit has to make one he fails hard at it. That was a great movie I reckon, but the kid ruined it.

i am not mad, if they really do have the money (even though they say that they don't) then i don't see why they can't

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Originally posted by dimadelux i am not mad, if they really do have the money (even though they say that they don't) then i don't see why they can't

I'm not mad either... when you run a corporation that size (whether it's in the tank or not), your time is so valuable to so many people as an executive it's crazy. Those jets are an investment that gives execs the ability to make the country smaller, so to speak, and be in more places for important reasons. If you can go from Detroit to D.C., to Atlanta, and back to Detroit in one day, you can just get more done compared to flying commercial. It's a necessary cost of doing business when you're running a milti-billion dollar corporation.

Times are hard at Ygrene corp but I'm still driving the corporate Civic.

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Originally posted by Ygrene Times are hard at Ygrene corp but I'm still driving the corporate Civic.

And the good news is you can have any beer you want so long as it's a Corona.

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Originally posted by The17sss Those jets are an investment that gives execs the ability to make the country smaller, so to speak, and be in more places for important reasons.

so does video calls..

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Originally posted by dj_alfi so does video calls..

It's very difficult to size a man up via a video call and judge whether or not you can take advantage of him though.

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Originally posted by The17sss I'm not mad either... when you run a corporation that size (whether it's in the tank or not), your time is so valuable to so many people as an executive it's crazy. Those jets are an investment that gives execs the ability to make the country smaller, so to speak, and be in more places for important reasons. If you can go from Detroit to D.C., to Atlanta, and back to Detroit in one day, you can just get more done compared to flying commercial. It's a necessary cost of doing business when you're running a milti-billion dollar corporation.

But seriously, is first class to good for them?

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Originally posted by Krypton But seriously, is first class to good for them?

I don't think it's about the quality of service/amenities. It's more about time. Being at the beck and call of a commercial airline schedule really isn't acceptable for CEOs.

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In fact, an argument could likely be made that it costs the company more to fly a CEO commercially (in regards to the value of his time and how many trade customers/clients he could interface with) than on a corporate jet.

You're probably right about the time. But if they are getting public money, that money better not be used to fly corporate jets.

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Originally posted by Sushipunk Thanks for making the text larger, I wouldn't have seen it otherwise.

On my computer, quote text is pretty small.

only bothers me if they're flying corporate jets if the company is having financial problems. that really makes no sense if the company is facing possible bankruptcy and they're not doing anything to help..

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Originally posted by elFreak Does anyone else think that Krypton is kinda like that fat kid that no one likes in Bad Santa? Think about it, the kid just fucking talks about sandwiches all movie, but when that little faggit has to make one he fails hard at it. That was a great movie I reckon, but the kid ruined it.

Horrible movie.

This doesn't bother me at all.....heck....they should upgrade those jets with the extra cash flow they have now.

I wouldn't do business with any of those companies if they did sell their jets.

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Originally posted by Krypton On my computer, quote text is pretty small.

Well, 2009 is just around the corner and you need a new year resolution!

(By the way, pressing "Ctrl" and "+" should solve your problem)

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Originally posted by Lira Well, 2009 is just around the corner and you need a new year resolution! (By the way, pressing "Ctrl" and "+" should solve your problem)

*sigh*

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Mack is required to use company aircraft for personal trips for security reasons.

Wait what?

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