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Posted by diesel_tron3000 on Dec-24-2008 22:17:

seriously, oil?

since when does this shit deserve to be so inexpensive?


Posted by Krypton on Dec-25-2008 00:05:

Re: seriously, oil?

quote:
Originally posted by diesel_tron3000
since when does this shit deserve to be so inexpensive?


Since demand demanded a lower price to buy.


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Dec-25-2008 00:17:

Since you started posting pointless threads.


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-25-2008 05:17:

Re: Re: seriously, oil?

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Since demand demanded a lower price to buy.



Didn't you say:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
People are not choosing to pay $3.50 a gallon for gasoline. They don't have a choice but to pay $3.50. Capitalism dictates a choice for the consumer between competitors who compete for market share. Do you see energy companies competing? HELL NO. I see cartel behavior going on, even so far as to illegally drive up prices. This is not capitalism my friend...

Here is just one example, and there are many...



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20388297/

Much of the price of gas is not a result of supply and demand. A good percentage of the oil price is something called the "risk premium". It ranges 20-30% by most analyst estimations. This is a result of increased levels of violence, terrorism, and war in the Middle East and other oil producing countries like Nigeria. Another factor in the oil price is something I call the "speculator's premium" which is the rise in oil prices due to speculative buyers by financial traders. This premium is in the range of 30-40%. Also take note, that the risk and speculative premiums partially overlap at times, such as a unrest in Nigeria convincing traders to buy more oil futures contracts, thus driving up oil prices. Also take note that none of this has anything to due with the supply or demand of oil commodities themselves or OPEC. It is all wicked psychology.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4962032/
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion...inion-rightrail

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In my opinion, OPEC's current production quota is in line with the demand of the world. It is the risk and speculation premiums being set by the oil industry with speculative traders adding their own flair. There is little, if any, competition among major oil companies, but instead cartel behavior is the precedent. The oil prices are not based on supply or demand but instead on factors outside of production/demand. This unjustified pricing is robbery to the consumer who does not have a choice but to buy fuel at the prevailing price (currently $3.60). As I explained, most of the USA does not have an adequate public transit system, and so most of the country relies on private transit.

Also, there is a stigma in many regions, especially those who don't have New York City type public transit, that using the bus (the most common form of public transit) is for poor, dirty, or "undesirable" people. I myself have this stigma because frankly, a lot of the people I see on the bus, at least in Tampa or Louisville have been people who just weirded me out. Definitely a negative for many people. This stigma has to change. But it will not change as long as we continue to spend relatively little on improving our public transit systems. Europe being the most prominent example of a successful public transit system should be our example...



http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ight=demand+oil


which aspects of risk and speculation have fundamentally changed in the last few months that has driven down the cost of oil by more than $100?


Posted by otec on Dec-25-2008 08:11:

Yeah totally support thread starter. Russia needs expensive oil !!!


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-25-2008 17:11:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
Russia needs expensive oil !!!



so the citizens can have the false sense of importance


Posted by Krypton on Dec-25-2008 17:56:

Re: Re: Re: seriously, oil?

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
Didn't you say:




http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...ight=demand+oil


which aspects of risk and speculation have fundamentally changed in the last few months that has driven down the cost of oil by more than $100?


Guess I was wrong. Consumers did have a choice......bubbles can make you think weird stuff.


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-25-2008 18:11:

Re: Re: Re: Re: seriously, oil?

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
Guess I was wrong. Consumers did have a choice......bubbles can make you think weird stuff.


sorry man, but when i saw that comment I had to bring your previous statements. we went back and forth about the application of supply and demand to oil pricing in a few threads.


Posted by Damerchi on Dec-25-2008 18:23:

opec fails this time around




lalalalallalalalhkalalalalalah expensive oil!

the way Dubai pays government workers with all their rideoffs on everything (car, rent, home leave tickects, education for kids) leaves them with a fat tax free salary to pretty much invest in their real estate or pump into their consumer economy... may have to stop.

even though dubai is technically 90 percent oil independent it is still reliant on a thriving neighbouring oil sector.

now they are crying to Abu Dhabi for help(nope, the papers here dont report it in detail-mad censorship)

ive always felt this could be a very fragile economy that could collapse like a house of cards


Posted by otec on Dec-25-2008 19:10:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
so the citizens can have the false sense of importance


who cares? at least they have sexy girls, not fatties eating out at McD


Posted by Krypton on Dec-25-2008 19:36:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: seriously, oil?

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
sorry man, but when i saw that comment I had to bring your previous statements. we went back and forth about the application of supply and demand to oil pricing in a few threads.


Well, people technically still don't have much of a choice. But that does not mean they don't have different options. Such as buying less fuel. Economizing whatever fuel they do have. Not buying a truck/SUV. Using public transportation if it's adequate enough (which in America is laughable). Energy demand is down big time for a reason. I wonder what the main reason would be.


Posted by Moongoose on Dec-25-2008 19:58:

Seriously, i cant waint until this type of car can be mass produced.


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-25-2008 20:42:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
who cares? at least they have sexy girls, not fatties eating out at McD



you've obviously never been to california, NYC, or miami. every country has their uglies; russia is absolutely no different. some of the ugliest bitches i've ever seen were russian (and some of the hottest were also russian). the idea that one country has hotter girls than all others is just stupid. it's all about personal preferences.


Posted by Krypton on Dec-25-2008 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Moongoose
Seriously, i cant waint until this type of car can be mass produced.


Honda should make these oonly.


Posted by Moongoose on Dec-25-2008 22:46:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
you've obviously never been to california, NYC, or miami. every country has their uglies; russia is absolutely no different. some of the ugliest bitches i've ever seen were russian (and some of the hottest were also russian). the idea that one country has hotter girls than all others is just stupid. it's all about personal preferences.



Except russian ugly can be easily fixed by a paper bad or large amounts of beer. There is no amount of bear or for that matter a paper bag large enough to hide mcdonalds ugly


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-26-2008 02:48:

quote:
Originally posted by Moongoose
Except russian ugly can be easily fixed by a paper bad or large amounts of beer. There is no amount of bear or for that matter a paper bag large enough to hide mcdonalds ugly



LOL....although i've heard some pretty deep voices on some ugly russian chicas. you can't hide a manly voice either.


Posted by otec on Dec-26-2008 07:56:

quote:
Originally posted by jerZ07002
you've obviously never been to california, NYC, or miami. every country has their uglies; russia is absolutely no different. some of the ugliest bitches i've ever seen were russian (and some of the hottest were also russian). the idea that one country has hotter girls than all others is just stupid. it's all about personal preferences.


Sorry man, I'm not into feminist-man-like bitches from NYC or artificial-silicon babes from miami.

And tell me more about your experience with ugly russian girls. I mean, maybe russian guys have decided to make fun of you, just because you are the foreigner and met you with ladyboys or something.


Posted by otec on Dec-26-2008 08:08:

Another thing, because Russia is just an emerging state, they don't have such an advanced justice system as in the US, meaning that if a fatty feels bad and thinks her fat rights were abused/infringed, in Russia she can't just sue McDs and get a millons to keep enjoying her lifestyle. She has to fight and keep her body fit, to attract man and get a good job.

It might sound not fair, but I like the way it works there. People start to look much nicer, when they force themself to keep up their fitness.


Posted by Krypton on Dec-26-2008 08:11:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
Another thing, because Russia is just emerging state, they don't have such an advanced court and legal system as in the US, meaning that if a fatty feels bad and thinks her fat rights were abused/infringed, in Russia she can't just sue McDs and get a millons to keep enjoying her lifestyle. She has to fight and keep her body fit, to attract man and get a good job.

It might sound not fair, but I like the way it works there. People start to look much nicer, when they force themself to keep up their fitness.


I'm suing you for insulting America's awesome justice system.


Posted by otec on Dec-26-2008 08:28:

quote:
Originally posted by Krypton
I'm suing you for insulting America's awesome justice system.


The justice system is cool. What uncool is all those people who abuses it or use it to solve their personal matters.


Posted by Lira on Dec-26-2008 12:23:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
who cares? at least they have sexy girls, not fatties eating out at McD

Funny... Every time I went out on a date with a hot Russian girl, she asked me to go to McDonald's.

Go figure.
quote:
Originally posted by otec
Another thing, because Russia is just an emerging state, they don't have such an advanced justice system as in the US, meaning that if a fatty feels bad and thinks her fat rights were abused/infringed, in Russia she can't just sue McDs and get a millons to keep enjoying her lifestyle. She has to fight and keep her body fit, to attract man and get a good job.

It might sound not fair, but I like the way it works there. People start to look much nicer, when they force themself to keep up their fitness.

Oh, never mind. I don't know why I even bothered to spot something incoherent in your post.


Posted by otec on Dec-26-2008 13:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Funny... Every time I went out on a date with a hot Russian girl, she asked me to go to McDonald's.


oh man, tell me where do you meet them?

My girlfriend is asking me now to buy her a new iPhone and a fur coat for new year's day.

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Go figure.


So, I'm trying to figure out how to keep our relations going in the middle of this stupid crisis.


Posted by Fir3start3r on Dec-26-2008 14:58:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
oh man, tell me where do you meet them?

My girlfriend is asking me now to buy her a new iPhone and a fur coat for new year's day.


For you

[edit]it's actually a remix which isn't bad btw...enjoy!


Posted by jerZ07002 on Dec-26-2008 17:26:

quote:
Originally posted by otec
Sorry man, I'm not into feminist-man-like bitches from NYC or artificial-silicon babes from miami.

And tell me more about your experience with ugly russian girls. I mean, maybe russian guys have decided to make fun of you, just because you are the foreigner and met you with ladyboys or something.


my experience is that i've seen ugly russian girls. that's it.



russia is an emerging state? what happened to russia's long cultured history? your sarcasm is a huge failure my pale skinned emigrant comrade.


Posted by diesel_tron3000 on Dec-27-2008 02:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Lira
Funny... Every time I went out on a date with a hot Russian girl, she asked me to go to McDonald's.


yo is this for real? this one time i was in beijing and this random hottie russian chick was like "hey i'm lost" so i hung out with her for a bit and what do you know she wanted me to take her to mcdonald's



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