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Teh friggin "muddyness"

hi guys, well ive been making some sounds especially with z3ta+, and no matter where i started, i cant seem to create "not muddy" sounds. I cant get it to sound some how "clear" ,do i have to work with the EQ to get more "present" sounds, or is there something else one does to not modify the sound like cutting atack or sthin, but just "change" the sound. Should i be using different filters??(i normally only use LOWPASS and HIGHPASS since teh others i havnt figured them really out yet)


well i know its not a really precise cuestion, but if anybody knows what im talking about,help is greatly apreciated since ive been having this problem like forever.


thx guys!!

EQ the bottom of everything that isnt bass.

maybe look at band-pass filters for your mid-bass sounds as well mate

http://www.samplecraze.com/tutorial.php

look at the synthesis tute about filters, really helpful

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Originally posted by Subtle EQ the bottom of everything that isnt bass.

No because then you risk losing thickness in a lot of sounds. It is more about knowing which sounds to eq and how much.

thx guys!

i tried equing but , although its sounding better i am still not getting there where i want to be,but maybe thats because of lack knowing how to eq "right".

@EgosXII i am going to check on the tutorials you posted,thx alot!

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Originally posted by Zomg thx guys! i tried equing but , although its sounding better i am still not getting there where i want to be,but maybe thats because of lack knowing how to eq "right". @EgosXII i am going to check on the tutorials you posted,thx alot!

i am not the best at mixing but if you want to save the stems in audio, i maybe some people myself included will try to help you sort it out. A spectroscope may also help you as well as monitors.

I think its most likely the sounds your using. Try dropping the sustain on the ADSR, generally using different oscillators and filters etc. Probably your using to many different pads, most of which aren't actually carrying any real melody, thats often the reason for muddiness. You should be able to build a track with <10 main tracks.
And post a sample if you want a proper response.

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Originally posted by kitphillips And post a sample if you want a proper response.

He's right. Not that I'd be much help myself, but if you give others a clear idea of what your trying to achieve then you should hopefully get more informative replies.

Gotcha. err which would be the best way to leave a sample??

high bitrate mp3.

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Originally posted by palm high bitrate mp3.

alright but is there any special recording program to use?? i might be able to create a file via Live but that�s only in wav or aiff or sthin..

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Originally posted by Zomg alright but is there any special recording program to use?? i might be able to create a file via Live but that�s only in wav or aiff or sthin..

I think most DAWs will export as mp3. I know Logic does, and I'm pretty sure Live does, but I haven't used it in awhile.

you're probably just choosing sounds that have too many FX on them... and you're "losing control" of the synth. find a sound you like, strip the FX... make sure its still the sound you're after then slowly build up the FX, perhaps the delay sounds fine solo' but not in the mix, so work the wet/dry knob, maybe the reverb sounds great in a breakdown but needs to be removed elsewhere.

imo synths ship with too crazy of patches and sound "great" at first instance but lack the ability to be anything usable.

I noticed a huge change in my mixes (for the better) when i didn't put reverb and delay on every element, sounds good solo, sounds like shit in a mix.

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Originally posted by pwnage1 I noticed a huge change in my mixes (for the better) when i didn't put reverb and delay on every element, sounds good solo, sounds like shit in a mix.

Maybe rather than stripping away the reverb and delay you could eq just the tail that comes from each effect.

yes well i actually dont have so many Fx inner...i got Delay but with real low feedback,and no reverb nor chorus"ses" .

Id like to upload it but i just looked at Live, but at "export audio" or sthin thers only Wav or Aiff. How else can i upload a sample in mp3?

render to wav then use a wav->mp3 encoder(itunes, cdex, etc)

theres alot of mp3 codex for winamp. i hope ur not using anything else than winamp for playing of your music?

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Originally posted by pwnage1 I noticed a huge change in my mixes (for the better) when i didn't put reverb and delay on every element, sounds good solo, sounds like shit in a mix.

Thats interesting because for the first time in my life I through a reverb on the master (never do this), no reverb on anything else and it actually sounding really good.

It was a watery remix of airwave so it fit, but suprisingly the kick sounded rather solid and punchy than diluted after I rendered it.

I do agree though on the fact that reverb is like working with TNT. It can be used properly as easy as it can be misused. Just depends on whos using it.

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Originally posted by palm theres alot of mp3 codex for winamp. i hope ur not using anything else than winamp for playing of your music?

weeelll actually im using the SWEET ...windows software " TEH WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER" since my winamp doesnt show the screen anymore...im kinda not intelligent with this stuff so I broke up with winamp since he stopped showing the "screen,where everything is" and just ended at the little bar.
Yes and i do know my english is not the best.(?)


But ok, tomorrow ill see if i can get a sample up. Do you mean with sample just to play a random melody on Live, export it and convert it to mp3 and then upload to RS or sthin?

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Originally posted by Zomg Do you mean with sample just to play a random melody on Live, export it and convert it to mp3 and then upload to RS or sthin?

Well, not a random melody. One of your current productions you're having problems with.

To remove muddyness, I'd recommend cutting some of the lower-end frequencies below 400 hz but with a narrower Q. Cutting them with a ultra wide-bandwidth Q will end up removing some of the frequencies and it'll end up sounding too tinny and thin. Once done, you could also try a gentle boost around the mid/range just to give it some presence in the mix. Not above 10khz though, otherwise you'll just exacerbate your tinny sound.

That's generally what I'll do to give some of my sounds clarity in the mix

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Originally posted by derail Well, not a random melody. One of your current productions you're having problems with.

well actually this is just a sound, since im trying to improve my sound creation skills i am currently not doing "the whole thing", just trying to make some sounds that .. sound.. ok, but it has been very disappointing.

Here is a sample of the sound,just some random notes, first i got 2 at the same time and after its just single notes, i hope you get a feeling of the overall sounding of this.

Just listen to it and maybe you know how to improve it so that it sounds clearer...and bettah.


http://www.sendspace.com/file/blxcx6

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Originally posted by Zomg well actually this is just a sound, since im trying to improve my sound creation skills i am currently not doing "the whole thing", just trying to make some sounds that .. sound.. ok, but it has been very disappointing. Here is a sample of the sound,just some random notes, first i got 2 at the same time and after its just single notes, i hope you get a feeling of the overall sounding of this. Just listen to it and maybe you know how to improve it so that it sounds clearer...and bettah. http://www.sendspace.com/file/blxcx6

In relation to muddyness, the sample you posted is pretty useless. Post a sample of one of your current projects (don't be embarassed if you think its shit) where there are numerous elements occuring at once and you think it sounds muddy/flat/dull and people can help tell you why this is.

Posting a sample of a single synth sound without hearing it in its context means nothing. And trying to make a single sound become huge, phat and massive on its own will likely render it unuseable in a mix.

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Originally posted by G-Con In relation to muddyness, the sample you posted is pretty useless. Post a sample of one of your current projects (don't be embarassed if you think its shit) where there are numerous elements occuring at once and you think it sounds muddy/flat/dull and people can help tell you why this is. Posting a sample of a single synth sound without hearing it in its context means nothing. And trying to make a single sound become huge, phat and massive on its own will likely render it unuseable in a mix.

alright well i havent made a project yet, i was just trying to make some sounds....ill give it a go to make something with this, and then post it once it gets more complicated

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