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The Future of Vinyls?
What do u all think bout the future of vinyls? Seeing as computers and mp3s are so much more easily available(and cheaper), do u think vinyls will stop being used and ppl will either only cd-mix or use mp3 hardware the Stanton Final Scratch(www.stantonmagnetics.com) which lets you use mp3s on your decks? Or will djs still use good old fashioned vinyls?
I think the future is metal records(probably stainless steel or titanium)
They would have music etched into them in analogue format with a laser, not like a CD in digitial pits and valleys, but an actual soundwave etched into it.
this format would be durable, high quality, and able to be manipulated like vinyl.
then, i had another idea, maybe there could be a portion at the center of the disc that would also contain digital information, like a CD. here you could store information, such as tracklists, album covers, lyrics, liner notes etc.
and, even better, maybe the data section could contain the actual format of the song, for remixing. so, the raw loops and beats, and sequence they are in, like a .flp file in fruity loops.
this would allow you to buy a record, and remix it on the fly.
these are all just fantasies of mine, but wouldn't it be COOL! 
metal records? now thats something new
I think that vinyl will stay around for quite a long time. Not only is the market sustained by djs and audiophiles, but there are so many djs out there that have only vinyl and don't want to switch to cd now that all of their music, equipment and skills are with vinyl.
There is nothing that can beat the look of vinyl either! You can't tell me that a cd dj looks as impressive as a vinyl dj!
In addition to all of this, you have to also consider that vinyl was the first real way to listen to recorded music. It was even before 8-track I believe and it's still existing today. Therefore, I think that it will live on quite a while still until there comes a day where another media that kicks cds asses comes along.
lol.. this just needs to be posted here:
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| A Black, Plastic Disc With Grooves On It Music bosses have unveiled a revolutionary new recording format that they hope will help win the war on illegal file sharing which is thought to be costing the industry millions of dollars in lost revenue. Nicknamed the 'Record', the new format takes the form of a black, vinyl disc measuring 12 inches in diameter, which must be played on a specially designed 'turntable'. "We can state with absolute certainty that no computer in the world can access the data on this disc," said spokesman Brett Campbell. "We are also confident that no-one is going to be able to produce pirate copies in this format without going to a heck of a lot of trouble. This is without doubt the best anti-piracy invention the music industry has ever seen." As part of the invention's rigorous testing process, the designers gave some discs to a group of teenage computer experts who regularly use file swapping software such as Limewire and gnutella and who admit to pirating music CDs. Despite several days of trying, none of them were able to hack into the disc's code or access any of the music files contained within it. "It's like, really big and stuff," said Doug Flamboise, one of the testers. "I couldn't get it into any of my drives. I mean, what format is it? Is it, like, from France or something?" In the new format, raw audio data in the form of music is encoded by physically etching grooves onto the vinyl disc. The sound is thus translated into variations on the disc's surface in a process that industry insiders are describing as 'completely revolutionary' and 'stunningly clever.' To decode the data stored on the disc, the listener must use a special player which contains a 'needle' that runs along the grooves on the record surface, reading the indentations and transforming the movements back into audio that can be fed through loudspeakers. Even Shawn Fanning, the man who invented Napster, admits the new format will make file swapping much more difficult. "I've never seen anything like this," he told reporters. "How does it work?" As rumours that a Taiwanese company has been secretly developing a 12 inch wide, turntable -driven, needle-based, firewire drive remain unconfirmed, it would appear that the music industry may, at last, have found the pirate-proof format it has long been searching for. |
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| Originally posted by j_spot metal records? now thats something new |
Vinyl isn't rip-proof either. Just hook a line-out to your computer and BINGO.
As for my opinion on this matter.. I think that vinyl will still be the most used format for about 5 more years until we see a crossover into CD territory. Vinyl will still be around, and still used by DJs, but CDs will start becoming the format of choice. Of course by this time, technology will probably allow some kind of CD player that emulates vinyl extremely closely. Just my 2 cents.
I will always use vinyl, unless they get metal vinyls which I will only use if they are just as big. CD's don't look as cool when you scratch and computers make you look like a nerd onstage.
I don't see CD's overtaking vinyl too much. I think that that harware like Final Scratch will be more the route CD's.
Metal vinyl ?! So i suppose your record crates aren't heavy enough as it is already.
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| I think that vinyl will still be the most used format for about 5 more years until we see a crossover into CD territory. Vinyl will still be around, and still used by DJs, but CDs will start becoming the format of choice. |
Stop and think about this for a minute:
1. Most DJ's like the look and feel of vinyl better than CD's. I bought turntables instead of CD decks, why? There is just something about dropping a needle on a record... beatmatching it.. cueing it up.. eyeing the grooves to see the changes. You just don't get that satisfaction with CD decks.
2. DJ's and clubs are already equipped with turntables. Granted, most are also equipped with CDJ's, but how many famous DJ's do you know that spin CD's only? CDJ's are mostly used for demos and tracks not available on vinyl. (Please don't flame, I said mostly!)
3. Vinyl has a better frequency range (highs and lows) than CD's do (although CD's have a greater dynamic range (loud to soft)). In my opinion (as well as others), vinyl sounds better than that harsh digital CD sound. This may change with SACD, which has 24-bit/96 KHz and a broader frequency range, but you still have the problem of buying new equipment and you're still missing that hands-on feel of vinyl.
4. Collecting vinyl is addictive!
5. Collecting vinyl is addictive! 
6. MP3's do not have the sound quality of CD's or vinyl. They will never become a mainstream method of DJ'ing due to the lack of quality. Although a laptop and Traktor is great for a party or for practicing, it's not the proper way to play a venue! (Try dropping a 128k MP3 on the house PA, it'll sound like !@%$)
7. Finally, think about all of the vinyl that is being pressed today for DJ use... TONS! This is a HUGE market.
Vinyl, as used in dance music (DJ'ing), is not going away for quite some time...
Ok, I'm done. 
I shop mostly at Satellite in Boston. It's 98% vinyl. CDs are relegated to a small corner and are mostly compilations. I somehow suspect vinyl is and will be the preferred media for a long time to come.
I will say however it's very hard to track down some songs on vinyl, so mp3's definitely come in handy if there's a song you gotta have.
Actually I'v been fantasizing the Metal Record idea too, but unless something like that is really invented in the future, CDs (Mostly burned ones I guess) and Finalscratch are gonna take over for sure.
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| Originally posted by El~ZaPo Vinyl isn't rip-proof either. Just hook a line-out to your computer and BINGO. |
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| Originally posted by El~ZaPo As for my opinion on this matter.. I think that vinyl will still be the most used format for about 5 more years until we see a crossover into CD territory. Vinyl will still be around, and still used by DJs, but CDs will start becoming the format of choice. Of course by this time, technology will probably allow some kind of CD player that emulates vinyl extremely closely. they do. it's really expensive though:  click here for a video clip of scratching with these: http://www.pioneerprodj.com/media/media.mv#cdj-1000 [QUOTE]Originally posted by El~ZaPo Just my 2 cents. |
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| Originally posted by El~ZaPo Vinyl will still be around, and still used by DJs, but CDs will start becoming the format of choice. Of course by this time, technology will probably allow some kind of CD player that emulates vinyl extremely closely. Just my 2 cents. |
They aren't AS good as vinyl, but you can use CD players.
for rare tracks you can't get on vinyl, or for samples burned on a CD, or any number of things, they are very convenient.
lol @ metal records 
.. haha come on .. if you go to a party you need a 4 people to carry your vinyl ( or metal :P ) no i think vinyl will be around 4 along time i mean .. turning on vinyl is just the bomb thats my opion
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| Originally posted by skywarp Metal vinyl ?! So i suppose your record crates aren't heavy enough as it is already. |
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| Originally posted by DJTJ What, I ask you, is the point of having CD players that emulate vinyl in the first place? |
your answer: to INNOVATE .... the reason is to create versitality, a higher choice in the market for dj's, and, once again, to innovate in technology.....
final scratch is the answer, all the feel of good old traditional TT's with all the hypes of technology, and I'm sure when more competion sees this, prices will drop, quality will increase, and I will have it sorry, TT are $$$ as is, screw dropping 1k+ on some CD mixers that ALMOST do the job that vinyl does
The only single problem with vinyl is: $! If you don't live in the US or any big country with strong currency or tons of local record labels you just have to pay top dollar to import what you like and it is prohibitively expensive. I hate having to live in my country because of this single detail. Those other options where you just have to buy a deck and just cheap cdrs are really appealing. The feel of vinyl is great, the shape and the control but, I would just have to settle with the only 10 or less vinyls I could buy in a month. cds must be an alternative.
ive always considered that quite a large part of djing is "image" - spinning the latest funkiest trendiest tunes, pulling the chicks.. and all that sorta stuff... djing with cds for me just seems like pretend djing (not that im saying any less skill is involved) but its just not the real mcoy
DJing involves playing music in front of a crowd. Ascension, you have obviously confused the "gravy" portion of the job with the actual bread and butter.
The skills required for djing are the same damn skills whether you use vinyl, cds, or a victrola, or a freakin 8 track player.
Image is nothing. Talent is everything.
vynil will most likely ALWAYS be around until the day we die. some things will never change, only get improved. there's no other medium possible that is as physical as vynil, no other medium that allows you to work with it, with such ease.
vibrations -> a signal -> an amp -> a magnet -> your ears. the way it should be.
I think the post was about if vinyl was going to be over taken by cd, not if it was better than cd. Vinylheads may think that the sound quality etc is better, but that only applies to the very first time the record is played. And even at that, the limiting system more than likely won't be the vinyl or cd recording, it will be a multitude of amps, equilizers, room setup, long connecting wires and most of all, damaged ear drums of the listeners! Everytime after the first play the groove is warped more and more until it sounds like shit. Point in case is Paul Oakenfold's Perfecto Presents Another World disk 2 track 5 Flesh (Tilt Mix) - Jan Johnston. If you listen to this track at semi high volumes in headphones, you will think that your ears have been severely damaged! This is because the record that he has, has been played way too many times and now sounds like crap. Solution for vinyl, buy another set of all the records you have once they reach this condition--over and over again. Or buy a $15,000 vinyl burner and find a place that sells blank vinyl! Cd solution is put in a $0.15 cd in the burner you probably already have and boom, in 2 minutes you have an exact copy of the original track that wisely stored away and only brought out to make copies of. Cds aren't suseptable to being scratched by the needle--only light touches them when playing. Cds are more resistant to warping, and if they do, then it's either 100% digital quality, or it won't play at all. No inbetweens!
You cannot argue the quality, value and convienece of cds far outweighs that of vinyl! The only arguement you can make is that you perfer the feel of vinyl etc. In which case, you have no arguement at all because that is your opion.
Don't get me wrong, I love vinyl and I think it will live on for quite a long time, but you cannot argue the facts that it will eventually fade out!
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