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Originally posted by Orko What I don't understand is why it is so hard for them to shut down the stores. Walking through Pacific Mall, it's quite clear what is illegal, and what is legal. Why can't they just walk through once a week and seize bogus movies.

seriously. they need to fuck these guys hard or it won't stop. I can only assume that existing laws are too lenient?

There was an interesting article not too long ago (in BusinessWeek, I think) regarding this and other problems in China. The black market there is posing a major problem as it so negatively impacts China's economy...and the gov't is struggling to crack down on it and various other negative aspects of the economic boom (like envrionmental waste, workplace safety, etc).

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Originally posted by MarkT seriously. they need to fuck these guys hard or it won't stop. I can only assume that existing laws are too lenient? There was an interesting article not too long ago (in BusinessWeek, I think) regarding this and other problems in China. The black market there is posing a major problem as it so negatively impacts China's economy...and the gov't is struggling to crack down on it and various other negative aspects of the economic boom (like envrionmental waste, workplace safety, etc).

The counterfeiting in China is extremely hard to stop. The guys are so smart; they set up a factory, counterfeit what they want to (movies, bags, phones), and then shut down the factory, move it, and start again. They keep the factories open for as little as 3 days at a time, just to make sure to stay ahead of the cops. So the authorities here, know that the supply is hard to stop.

But my beef is why they don't just make sure these shops in TO stay closed. A shop has to be there open, for people to be able to go back and buy more crap. Do a walk through, illegal material? Bamn closed. They need to make the environment so unpleasant for them to even think about opening a store.

BINGO (Orko)!!!

Shut the retail outlet down, charge the owners, works and everybody else on site at the time.

How many of you that disapprove of pirated DVDs also buy all of your music, livesets aside?

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Originally posted by Orko But my beef is why they don't just make sure these shops in TO stay closed. A shop has to be there open, for people to be able to go back and buy more crap. Do a walk through, illegal material? Bamn closed. They need to make the environment so unpleasant for them to even think about opening a store.

do you not need a warrant for any sort of search and seizure?

All those little dvd shack stores at Pacific Mall are always raided at least once a year and are fined. They just pay off the fines with the money they take in by shoppers like you.

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Originally posted by Skipper How many of you that disapprove of pirated DVDs also buy all of your music, livesets aside?

I have an absolutely massive CD and DVD collection, in addition to all the stuff i download.

But there is a difference from downloading and selling pirated DVD's. The end downloader is not making any money on the process. The pirates in the stores are SELLING somebody else's work, without permission.

It is a fine line, I know, but the distinction is important. As a consumer of movies, I am not willing to pay somebody for their illegal activities. I don't they deserve anything.

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Originally posted by Orko The counterfeiting in China is extremely hard to stop. The guys are so smart; they set up a factory, counterfeit what they want to (movies, bags, phones), and then shut down the factory, move it, and start again. They keep the factories open for as little as 3 days at a time, just to make sure to stay ahead of the cops. So the authorities here, know that the supply is hard to stop. But my beef is why they don't just make sure these shops in TO stay closed. A shop has to be there open, for people to be able to go back and buy more crap. Do a walk through, illegal material? Bamn closed. They need to make the environment so unpleasant for them to even think about opening a store.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker BINGO (Orko)!!! Shut the retail outlet down, charge the owners, works and everybody else on site at the time.

the same reason why there are drug dealers. as long as there is a market for it, there will always be people willing to take the risk.

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Originally posted by Orko I have an absolutely massive CD and DVD collection, in addition to all the stuff i download. But there is a difference from downloading and selling pirated DVD's. The end downloader is not making any money on the process. The pirates in the stores are SELLING somebody else's work, without permission. It is a fine line, I know, but the distinction is important. As a consumer of movies, I am not willing to pay somebody for their illegal activities. I don't they deserve anything.

but you are paying somebody for their illegal activities. The torrent sites you goto have adds that pay the website when you go on. Then the website gives the uploaders a cut of the money. So in a way you are helping them. I had a friend that was an uploader that made a killing doing that.

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