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All the cheap bashing on mainstream trance...

...is starting to bore and annoy me. You know, I don't like most of that stuff either and I think a lot of is unbearably cheesy, but I can only read so many sarcastic jokes about "unicorns" and "PLUR" before I roll my eyes and skip over the posts containing them. Sure, it may give you a little momentary thrill to insert a "unicorn" reference or whatever, and I've done it myself on occasion, but isn't this kind of cheap shot pointlessly negative? It isn't productive like actual criticism, which might cause a few of those "naive" little trancers to reconsider their listening choices a bit.

I'm starting to think that there's an epidemic going around, a certain mixture of cynicism and sarcasm, a superficial way that people have of putting on an air of "worldliness." At first it's kind of attractive and it seems like nobody's opinion can touch you when you have an arsenal of ridicule and "parody" built up and ready to fire, but after a while it starts to seem really empty, meaningless, tedious...at least to me.

Are unguarded earnestness and general positivity things of the past? Attributes that can be possessed only by naive youngsters?

If anyone who reads this has some ridicule and bubbling sarcastic energy stored up inside, why not just let it fade away this time around?

This site shouldn't even be called 'tranceaddict.com' anymore. It obviously isn't the site it once was back in 2001-2002 when it was a useful site for trance newbies to come here and dwelve more into the genre. Nowadays people that post here looking for trance just get laughed at. Most people on this site don't even care or listen to trance anyways.

imo sarcasm makes the world go round'

Ha, ya this site should be called technoaddict.com, not that I have anything against techno or trance. You do realize though that this is an incredibly sarcastic and brutally honest forum. I think that it is actually more helpful and informational than a whole forum of people discussing an ASOT track list. Although I suggest that those tired of Armin trance should put some Patterson in their lives!

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg You do realize though that this is an incredibly sarcastic and brutally honest forum.

Of course. I've often participated in it myself. But I'm really just tired of negativity, "knowing" and "ironic" attitudes, and sarcasm I guess, and it seems like they're everywhere these days. And not just in this forum.

everyone in the world should change because it bothers you?

More than anything, it's an announcement that I'm trying to change myself I guess, as I have gotten really cynical and negative over the past six years or so and I'm just tired of how it's corroding my mood and my view of the world. But I thought some people might be interested in these thoughts.

Honestly, dunno where this idea that because you make fun of unicorn plur trance kiddies you're some negative sullen individual leading the life of a scrooge. haha.

In fact the worst offenders that come to mind are probably some of the most fun and good humored people I know.

ive noticed an evolution on this site; those who come here and express themselves honestly and perhaps prematurely are often ridiculed and dont seem to fit in. now if they choose to stick around regardless of the fact, they slowly start to adhere to the tastes of others, thus becoming more cynical and treating those with less popular taste in the same manner they were treated in.

the majority is picky and vocal about it. you can count me in to a degree. after all difference of opinion is crucial to the survival of a community, and much better than blind praise which we see on other sites but it would be nice to see a little more positivity kicking around. and although controversy makes the forums interesting it does, as you say, get tiring when you already know what the reply is gonna be after certain people post

when i read the posts from back when this place started up it seemed a lot more welcoming but i suppose this is a reflection of the times changing and trance scene diminishing in quality. we all came here because of it and now its a former shadow of itself, making it an easy target. ridiculing it is a way of letting go of the past and establishing a more "refined taste" and character for oneself

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'm starting to think that there's an epidemic going around, a certain mixture of cynicism and sarcasm, a superficial way that people have of putting on an air of "worldliness." At first it's kind of attractive and it seems like nobody's opinion can touch you when you have an arsenal of ridicule and "parody" built up and ready to fire, but after a while it starts to seem really empty, meaningless, tedious...at least to me.

Ha, ha; trust you to think that, you nerdy little fag! You can crawl back into your hole and die now!

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Originally posted by DJ Blitzkrieg Ha, ya this site should be called technoaddict.com, not that I have anything against techno or trance. You do realize though that this is an incredibly sarcastic and brutally honest forum. I think that it is actually more helpful and informational than a whole forum of people discussing an ASOT track list. Although I suggest that those tired of Armin trance should put some Patterson in their lives!

One could mistake my positivity about trance for being a young naive trancer, be it not that i know of the scene for about 10 years now and am over 30.
I'm still quite positive about trance itself and the possibilities it has.
I'm just disappointed both with DJs, producer and listeners mostly clinging to the fads and stuff killing creativity and with the negativity of people like they are here, who kill creativity by bitching and moaning about current trance and talking shit that trance was better in the beginning and that compared to that trance is shite now and never will be innovative and creative again and died a long time ago.

The first type of people are annoying in the sense that they flood the market with worthless shit and keep appreciating it, thus slowing creativeness and innovation.
The second type of people are more annoying because they they only offer negative criticism and contribute nothing positive to change the state the trance scene is in and offer no help to revive the genre and get the creative and innovative juices flowing.
Worse even, they define their own experiences of trance as normative and declare that trance is not trance anymore.

YES, the first group is a horde of brainless zombies, producing and consuming endless waves of crap.
Yet they contribute much more to the scene than the anti-establishment hipsters, who comprise the second group and are only breaking down the trance scene instead of impacting and changing it.
At least the current state of trance has some gems in the sea of shit.
If the second group would have their way, there would be no trance scene left except their own narrow view of trance, of which they would again tire of and bitch and moan again over, because that trance scene would be boring and dull again.
There's no way to satisfy these guys.

Anyway, come up with constructive solutions instead of bitching and moaning over a scene you find decaying, you anti-establishment hipsters.

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Originally posted by Barachem YES, the first group is a horde of brainless zombies, producing and consuming endless waves of crap. Yet they contribute much more to the scene than the anti-establishment hipsters, who comprise the second group and are only breaking down the trance scene instead of impacting and changing it.

are you really so dense as to divide the world into two groups of people?

anyways, trance began as an anti-establishment music invented by hippies and iconoclasts, so i don't see what your hollow defamation of 'anti-establishment hipsters' has to do with anything...

you really think you've got this figure out, don't you? lol

Ban the baldies and let the unicorn musketeers shit up gay house threads as much as the vice-versa is done Montana

I think Mattsanity has had fewer incidents other members (even with the death threats) on MD than some of the other members who see it necessary to enter in on every Armin/Tiesto/Christ thread to ridicule, belittle and claim superiority (and deny jealousy or living in basements or the etc).

We all have different tastes, sometimes we move onto other genres, and at some point, we mature from Alice Deejay to Darude. Let everyone find their path in peace, or as a community, with some guidance.

Cheers!


(but it's still really funny how Armin can fit 40 songs onto a single hour mix)

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Originally posted by nefardec are you really so dense as to divide the world into two groups of people?

Extreme behaviour calls for extreme example.
I'm only talking about people related to the trance-scene, people who either participate in or comment on it.
Are you that dense not to understand that?

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Originally posted by nefardec anyways, trance began as an anti-establishment music invented by hippies and iconoclasts, so i don't see what your hollow defamation of 'anti-establishment hipsters' has to do with anything...

LOL, current trance is not anymore about anti-establishment and does not give comfort to hippies and iconoclasts alike.
With anti-establishment hipsters i mean those people who go against the current established trance scene, criticize it and think it's cool to do so.
Looking at my post in the context of this thread, it should be very clear what i'm talking about.
It's just that in my view you just don't want to agree with what i'm saying and try to disrupt my arguments by questioning my abilities to think.

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Originally posted by nefardec you really think you've got this figure out, don't you? lol

Well, you figure it out...

Anyway, i'm with MrJiveBoJingles and SuspicionVandit on this one, it's time to stop the senseless and relentless criticism of everything trance.
It's so old now that it's usable as a bioweapon.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles More than anything, it's an announcement that I'm trying to change myself I guess, as I have gotten really cynical and negative over the past six years or so and I'm just tired of how it's corroding my mood and my view of the world. But I thought some people might be interested in these thoughts.

Ouch, yep... I too much time on the cynical old internet isn't good for you, it took a while for me to realise.

BTW, the unicorn references are to an alt that made a "genre" called unicorn trance. Not really much association between mainstream trance and unicorns afaik. I take it you missed that alt,

Also, ignore list.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles ...is starting to bore and annoy me. You know, I don't like most of that stuff either and I think a lot of is unbearably cheesy, but I can only read so many sarcastic jokes about "unicorns" and "PLUR" before I roll my eyes and skip over the posts containing them. Sure, it may give you a little momentary thrill to insert a "unicorn" reference or whatever, and I've done it myself on occasion, but isn't this kind of cheap shot pointlessly negative? It isn't productive like actual criticism, which might cause a few of those "naive" little trancers to reconsider their listening choices a bit. I'm starting to think that there's an epidemic going around, a certain mixture of cynicism and sarcasm, a superficial way that people have of putting on an air of "worldliness." At first it's kind of attractive and it seems like nobody's opinion can touch you when you have an arsenal of ridicule and "parody" built up and ready to fire, but after a while it starts to seem really empty, meaningless, tedious...at least to me. Are unguarded earnestness and general positivity things of the past? Attributes that can be possessed only by naive youngsters? If anyone who reads this has some ridicule and bubbling sarcastic energy stored up inside, why not just let it fade away this time around?

I cant say I've been here as long as you, but in my time its always been the way you've described.
But I kind of like it and whilst trying not to sound like a kiss ass, people like you, nefardec, system - J as well as various others offer imho a great insight into trance and music in general unlike another trance forum...

this forum's characters turn the subjective into objective.


Hey, Im a newb!

I Like artists like Luke Fair, Danny Howells, Minilogue, Daniel Portman, Magda, Sven Vath, Richie Hawtin, Guy Gerber, Old Sasha and New Digweed

Hey, Im a newb!

I Like Armin Van Buuren, Deadmau5, Tijs Verwest, System F, Sun Driver, Oceanlab, Blake Jarrell, Arnej, and Gareth Emery

I wonder who is gonna get flamed

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Originally posted by Nostalgic This site shouldn't even be called 'tranceaddict.com' anymore. It obviously isn't the site it once was back in 2001-2002 when it was a useful site for trance newbies to come here and dwelve more into the genre. Nowadays people that post here looking for trance just get laughed at. Most people on this site don't even care or listen to trance anyways.

MD maybe, but look at all the posts in the tracklisting forum.

i bet you half these flamers are in the closet trance lovers, look at the TA poll for crying out loud

Sometimes i listen to Daniel Kandi, OMG does it count as unicorn-trance!?

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Originally posted by nefardec are you really so dense as to divide the world into two groups of people? anyways, trance began as an anti-establishment music invented by hippies and iconoclasts, so i don't see what your hollow defamation of 'anti-establishment hipsters' has to do with anything... you really think you've got this figure out, don't you? lol

Yeah, like anything is considered with "anti-establishment" in EDM these days!

I bought a moonbeam record once.

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Originally posted by DJ Damerchi i bet you half these flamers are in the closet trance lovers, look at the TA poll for crying out loud

Most of the people who vote in that poll don't often post in the MD.

I think you'll find people here are more than willing to be helpful to new fans (yes, even for mainstream trance) so long as they display a degree of maturity and willing curiosity in their conduct.

Fact is, most of the strict "OMGIDIEASOTRULZ!!" type of folk are only in the scene for around four-to-five years, then they either start with the "what happened to trance?" posts, or they aren't into the scene anymore. After a while, you get rather indifferent about their enthusiasm when you know it's fleeting.

I also played Filter Cutz - Primary Feelings in a set of robot making shoes in a factory music.

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