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Got to see him live last night in some little hole down here in panama that was packed like nothing i have ever been in before. He did not play any of his productions which to me was bullshit, why else would i see him right? and his set was mostly hard-house crap, which i personaly dont like... his mixxing skills were pretty good, but after 2 hours it was just way to repetitive for my taste. Seeing tiesto a couple weeks earlier, then seeing picotto after is just lame. Tiesto owns.

***so, what im really trying to get at here is, if any of you lamers have seen picotto, do you think he is overatted, or am i just a to critical?

You should take my attitude....Tiesto is God...And who the fuck is Picotto

ok, that is one person who is in favor of picotto being overated:P .... anybody else? or has nobody else on this board not seen picotto? or tiesto (poor, poor souls who havnt!)

Re: mauro picotto

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Originally posted by ftnb and his set was mostly hard-house crap, which i personaly dont like...

i thought he spun hard-techno these days.

Definitely techno

picotto just has two 'different faces'.......

he produces commercial crap, to earn loads of money
and
he produces quality techno trax, because, i guess he likes techno

he is also capable of spinning great techno sets with great records in it and because he's got good mixing skills
but
i guess, when he has to play before a crowd he thinks they dont like his techno songs, he'll play his commercial crap tunes... so just bad luck to you..

Yeah, what has been up with Picotto lately...he hasn't been on top of his game.

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Tiesto is God

I'm so fucking sick of hearing people bend over for Tiesto and treat him as a deity. His mixing just plainly sucks big fat goat nuts...I'm sorry, but I truly do feel that I can pull off some more creative and better transitions half assing on the decks than Tiesto can. As a producer, Tiesto is on top of his game...probably the hottest one right now, but as a DJ, IMO, he is seriouisly, way way overrated.
I saw him live, and the only thing that saved his ass was his track selection(which at times can be mediocre as well).
Tiesto is God...the fuck he is. Picotto is a much much better DJ...hands down.

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Originally posted by dJohn Picotto is a much much better DJ...hands down.

i second that =p

90% of all the "big" techno dj's are soooooooooooooooooo much better in djing than ANY trance dj


trance = no skill compared to techno

2 dexx vs 3-4-5-6 dexx =P

�hhhh

techno > trance

mauro is quality techno! saw him last december at Innercity.. and i must saw: totally WICKED!! i freaked when i heared Gatex for the first time!

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Originally posted by dJohn I'm so fucking sick of hearing people bend over for Tiesto and treat him as a deity. His mixing just plainly sucks big fat goat nuts...I'm sorry, but I truly do feel that I can pull off some more creative and better transitions half assing on the decks than Tiesto can. As a producer, Tiesto is on top of his game...probably the hottest one right now, but as a DJ, IMO, he is seriouisly, way way overrated. I saw him live, and the only thing that saved his ass was his track selection(which at times can be mediocre as well). Tiesto is God...the fuck he is. Picotto is a much much better DJ...hands down.

i think you are being a little hard on Tiesto, but I agree that his talent as a producer exceeds hs talent as a DJ.

Hard house? Picotto? What?

Find me a single hard house set on Audiogalaxy from him. I'll even go out on a limb and say find me a set from him that contains a single hard house tune. It would surprise me if you could.

He produced cheesy chill-out stuff...about 5 years ago. All his latest stuff like Bangkok, Baguette, Awesome etc are tech trance and techno, and he spins fairly hard techno, but depending on the crowd might drop some slightly more familiar techno tunes like "Dariush - Ira", "Umek - Gatex", or Marco Zaffarano stuff. When he played in Newcastle he was brilliant, his set started off with the above mentioned tracks then progressed onto what sounded like Chris Liebing stuff. I'm fairly new to techno and I was very mashed, but I know it was hard!

I may sound a little hard, but don't get me wrong. I have all the respect in the world for Tiesto as a electronic musician...DJ or producer. It's just that when people make comments like 'Tiesto is God'...I wonder where they base these judgements from.
And techno DJ's, while they are very crafted, have it easier to mix than trance DJ's simply based on the fact of track structure: techno is very layered and repetitive(not saying it's not cool!) so it's easier to phrase match and layer out the mix...with trance(especially epic i.e melodic or whatever) the track structure is structured in a particular way, and to even make it more complicated, most trance structures are very different.
But who cares. As long as we love the music we listen to, and as long as the music we listen to we love, it's all good.

Re: mauro picotto

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Originally posted by ftnb He did not play any of his productions which to me was bullshit, why else would i see him right?

Ok, not to sound 'biased' here- just gonna state a fact- but Mauro has been playing hard 'techno' sets for a long time now. Back in early 2001, he used to throw in some of his older trance productions to please the crowd, but u won't hear that anymore. Since Spring 2001-on, he's mostly been producing techno music. You probably heard PLENTY of his productions down in Panama, but you just didn't know it, due to the change in his style. He's released several cd's in the past year that reflect this change- "Metamorphose", "Maximal FM", & "The Others".

U can't really compare Mauro to Tiesto, as they play different styles, but Mauro wins hands down in terms of skill. He's a madman on the mixer, & produces more tracks than u can shake a stick at. I like them both for what they do, but Tiesto's remix of Mauro's "Pulsar" is by far one of the crappiest remixes I've ever heard. I'm surprised Mauro even gave him the ok on that one....

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Originally posted by dJohn I may sound a little hard, but don't get me wrong. I have all the respect in the world for Tiesto as a electronic musician...DJ or producer. It's just that when people make comments like 'Tiesto is God'...I wonder where they base these judgements from. And techno DJ's, while they are very crafted, have it easier to mix than trance DJ's simply based on the fact of track structure: techno is very layered and repetitive(not saying it's not cool!) so it's easier to phrase match and layer out the mix...with trance(especially epic i.e melodic or whatever) the track structure is structured in a particular way, and to even make it more complicated, most trance structures are very different. But who cares. As long as we love the music we listen to, and as long as the music we listen to we love, it's all good.

They base their judgements from their favourite dj of one of their favourite if not their number one dj, of course...

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Originally posted by Boss picotto just has two 'different faces'....... he produces commercial crap, to earn loads of money and he produces quality techno trax, because, i guess he likes techno

Lets talk sense, not out of our assholes please

The only commercial tune Picotto released was Komodo (which he states he dislikes and shouldn't have released it)

Talking about DJ's being overated??
I saw Mauro Picotto and Tiesto spin on the same nite. Tiesto is GOOD (note: two O's not one) and he makes absolutely amazing tunes but thats pretty much all he should stick to - producing.. his mixing skills are shit. Picotto tore the place apart

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Originally posted by Addikted The only commercial tune Picotto released was Komodo (which he states he dislikes and shouldn't have released it)

�h..only komodo?????

what about pulsar, iguana, like this like that, prxoimus????
they're just as commercial as komodo, and are equally sucky =P

spring 2001 = shit commercial "!#%!#"!#"!# no skills@all

after he started to play techno he has grown to one of the big dj's, and gained a reputation he truly deserves.

and thank god he doesnt play that cheezy productions in his sets anylonger

you ppl just don't know your shit do you?

(except tatgirl )

The "commercial tracks" you lot are talking about were produced some 3/4 years ago!! He just released those tunes relatively late and they became popular even later!

And you know...I don't understand why Picotto can't produce any "comercial" stuff..even though your God (bleh) Tiesto releases "commercial" tunes all the time!!! I mean, I like some of his stuff..but if you listen to it closely you can HEAR the commercial rate in them....so why wine about commercialism!

Anyway...

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Originally posted by verminator �h..only komodo????? what about pulsar, iguana, like this like that, prxoimus???? they're just as commercial as komodo, and are equally sucky =P spring 2001 = shit commercial "!#%!#"!#"!# no skills@all after he started to play techno he has grown to one of the big dj's, and gained a reputation he truly deserves. and thank god he doesnt play that cheezy productions in his sets anylonger

like i said..... so im not talking out of my shithole, addikted...
and how about 'back to cali' that's new, isn't it? and i dont think that is techno...

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Originally posted by Boss like i said..... so im not talking out of my shithole, addikted... and how about 'back to cali' that's new, isn't it? and i dont think that is techno...

what does this got to do with my post?
i never said that back to cali wasnt new or something, but anyways, he doesnt even play it.. he only plays the techno remix of it..


miss p: omfg?

you just named the songs i meant......

yah!

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Originally posted by Miss Proximus you ppl just don't know your shit do you? (except tatgirl ) The "commercial tracks" you lot are talking about were produced some 3/4 years ago!! He just released those tunes relatively late and they became popular even later! And you know...I don't understand why Picotto can't produce any "comercial" stuff..even though your God (bleh) Tiesto releases "commercial" tunes all the time!!! I mean, I like some of his stuff..but if you listen to it closely you can HEAR the commercial rate in them....so why wine about commercialism! Anyway...

word to the queen! don't mess with her! hahahah

this is all so pointless~!
why are you guys all bitchfighting? just enjoy the music!

Pork!

Re: mauro picotto

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Originally posted by ftnb Got to see him live last night in some little hole down here in panama that was packed like nothing i have ever been in before. He did not play any of his productions which to me was bullshit, why else would i see him right? and his set was mostly hard-house crap, which i personaly dont like... his mixxing skills were pretty good, but after 2 hours it was just way to repetitive for my taste. Seeing tiesto a couple weeks earlier, then seeing picotto after is just lame. Tiesto owns. ***so, what im really trying to get at here is, if any of you lamers have seen picotto, do you think he is overatted, or am i just a to critical?

hehe he plays techno, and yes after 2 hours i find it grates a bit. non the less a good dj. he defos has the skills mixing wise.

All these flame wars and bitching is propper killing me.... Instead of argueing just listen to a set, he he....

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Originally posted by dJohn And techno DJ's, while they are very crafted, have it easier to mix than trance DJ's simply based on the fact of track structure: techno is very layered and repetitive(not saying it's not cool!) so it's easier to phrase match and layer out the mix...with trance(especially epic i.e melodic or whatever) the track structure is structured in a particular way, and to even make it more complicated, most trance structures are very different. But who cares. As long as we love the music we listen to, and as long as the music we listen to we love, it's all good.

I don't DJ (except messing aorund on PCDJ Red), however I'm not so sure about this.

A lot of techno tunes have so many phrases that are the same that if you are not keeping count you will lose count. This is a benefit I think many take for granted in trance, that you know at the end of every 16/32 or even 64 beats there will be a swish or a hi-hat comes in and you can use that as a marker.

Also, the buildups in trance are predictable, wheras in techno they are deliberately unpredictable. When I saw Picotto there were many times I anticipated the big Bang and it came too soon, or a beat after I expected. Imagine trying to mix tracks if you don't know when the next phrase starts? I guess you either have to really know the tracks you're playing or you have to have a quick reaction on the deck you're cueing and quickly bring it up to speed. nonetheless, it's a luxury trance DJs have that techno DJs don't.

Also, because techno is almost purely about the beats, you really have to get it right. Sometimes in trance you can simple merge together the breakdown of two tracks, making for a fairly easy transition. With techno it must be crisp and right on the beat every time. That said, I think the fatter beats in techno might allow more lee-way in beatmatching than the sharp beats you get in some trance tracks, but don't quote me on that.

Lastly, I can't think of a single trance tune (except some breakbeat tracks) where it does not adhere to the common principles of music, with accurate bars/phrases etc. With techno, it's like the rules are removed, sometimes instead of 64 beats a buildup from nowhere comes in on 52 beats or whatever, and it's sudden and unexpected, and the buildup isn't 4 beats of 8 beats long, sometimes it's something awkward like 7 beats.

If you give me a little time, I'll try and find some examples, although I think verminator or USSR junkie could name some off the top of their heads as they seem to be the main techno heads around here.

To conclude, I think trance has a more 'uniform' nature, and sticks to the rules more.

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