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WOH!!! Life Found on Mars!!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...icle2133475.ece
Guess it will be announced official by NASA tomorrow...
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ALIEN microbes living just below the Martian soil are responsible for a haze of methane around the Red Planet, Nasa scientists believe. The gas, belched in vast quantities in our world by cows, was detected by orbiting spacecraft and from Earth using giant telescopes. Discovery ... gas around Mars Nasa are today expected to confirm its presence during a briefing at their Washington HQ. And the find is seen as exciting new evidence that Martian microbes are still alive today. Some scientists reckon methane is also produced by volcanic processes. But there are NO known active volcanoes on Mars. Furthermore, Nasa has found the gas in the same regions as clouds of water vapour, the vital �drink� needed to support life. Mission ... probe on the surface of Mars Experts speculate that the methane is being emitted as a waste product by organisms called methanogens living in water beneath underground ice. And they would have to be alive today because the methane would otherwise have been lost from the Martian atmosphere. What a scoop ... Phoenix lander dug up chunks of ice last year John Murray � a member of the Mars Express European space probe team � believes the mini-Martians may be in a form of suspended animation and could even be REVIVED. He has found overwhelming evidence of a vast frozen ocean beneath the dust near the Martian equator where simple life could have thrived as microbes. Today�s briefing will feature a star panel of Mars experts headed by Michael Meyer, chief scientist for Nasa�s Mars programme. UK Mars expert Professor Colin Pillinger believes the methane can only point to the presence of life on the planet. Space neighbours ... Earth and Venus rise over Mars in mock-up His ill-fated Beagle 2 probe was carrying a laboratory that would have looked directly for such signs of life when it crashed on Christmas Day 2003. Prof Pillinger told The Sun last night: �Methane is a product of biology. For methane to be in Mars� atmosphere, there has to be a replenishable source. �The most obvious source of methane is organisms. So if you find methane in an atmosphere, you can suspect there is life. �It�s not proof, but it makes it worth a much closer look.� Nasa�s findings confirm studies by Europe�s Mars Express probe, which has been orbiting the planet for five years and also reported signs of methane in 2004. Britain�s top space expert Nick Pope last night hailed the new evidence of life as �the most important discovery of all time�. He said: �What could be more profound than to know it�s not just us out there? Expert ... Colin Pillinger "We�ve really only scratched the surface � it�s an absolute certainty that there is life out there and we are not alone. �If there is life on Mars then the logical conclusion is that there must be life elsewhere too. �If it�s happened here on Earth, then why shouldn�t it happen anywhere? The implication is this is a universal law. �Mars is very similar to Earth. It�s about the same size, it�s a rocky inner planet. �Most scientists believe it probably has liquid water which is almost universally agreed as the pre-requisite for life. I am certain there is other life in the Universe and, most likely, intelligent life.� The Red Planet has gripped the public imagination for more than a century as a possible home for aliens. But life could not survive on its surface because, unlike the Earth, Mars has no magnetic shield to protect it against deadly sun radiation. The planet resembles our own in many ways. It is made of rock, it has an atmosphere and weather systems. Advertisement Although much smaller with a diameter of around 4,222 miles, Mars� day is just 40 minutes longer than ours and its tilted axis gives it seasons. Water has been found in the form of buried ice and scientists believe that two billion years ago, Mars was covered with liquid oceans. Proof that water is still on Mars came in 2007 when Mars Express used ground-piercing radar to study the region around the planet�s South Pole. Nasa�s latest lander Phoenix dug up chunks of Martian ice last year. It swiftly evaporated into the thin atmosphere. Nasa have controversially hit the headlines before for claiming evidence for Martians. In 1996, they said they had discovered fossilised organisms in a meteorite from the planet. But other scientists were sceptical. Today�s conference will be broadcast live online by NASA TV (www.nasa.gov/ntv) at 7pm. |
Wow! That's pretty crazy! I always thought there had to be other life out there. Why would there be this big of a universe for just us?
Would be really crazy if they found intelligent life though.
"scientists believe"
also, it's the sun, does anyone actually believe anything they read in the sun nowadays?
Nobody else has the news... doubt its correct.
source: The Sun
Its legit.
Other papers are claiming methane possibilities on mars.
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| Originally posted by Nerologic Its legit. Other papers are claiming methane possibilities on mars. |
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| Originally posted by bscarbro Wow! That's pretty crazy! I always thought there had to be other life out there. Why would there be this big of a universe for just us? Would be really crazy if they found intelligent life though. |
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| Originally posted by |Thrax| dude, it would be so fucking wicked if we found humans living on another planet. but it would take us a long time to get there.. or a probe found em, and then they started talking to us.. through the probe.. fuckin take that "can you hear me now" JERK. |
never trust a news publication that emphasizes words like "NO" and "REVIVED" with caps--pure sensationalism. that said, given our existence, there's an astronomically greater chance that life exists on other worlds besides planet earth than the chance that we're alone in this universe. i think it requires a far greater leap of faith to believe the latter over the former. we're just now coming into the technological infancy of being able to detect planets in the habitable zone of stars and galaxies, but few understand just how difficult it is to find life in the cosmos even if it did exist in rudimentary or advanced forms. finding and studying a planet next to a distant star is like being able to spot a firefly in front of a lighthouse from the other side of the country. it's a monumental task that only the smartest people in the world can even being to put a process to. following the nine-parameter drake equation, i think it's truly extraordinary that life has been able to thrive to such advanced intelligence on this planet given everything out there set on destroying it, but i doubt we're completely unique. in the last 10 years or so, we've come a long way towards understanding what to look for...
http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/200...ars_Update.html
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| Originally posted by R!CH never trust a news publication.... |
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| Originally posted by SexySmart666 Maybe they are already here? |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN Please note the words "news" and "The Sun" do not belong in the same sentence. "Sensationalist dirt rag" and "the Sun" do however, along with "cockknocking evil cunt" and "Rupert Murdoch" |
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| Mars Has Methane, But Life? By Richard A. Kerr ScienceNOW Daily News 15 January 2009 It's taken 5 years, but planetary scientists are finally confident that they have detected methane on Mars. At a press conference today at NASA headquarters in Washington, D.C., and in a paper published online today in Science, researchers announced that all the painstaking observations, analysis, and reanalysis now reveal summertime plumes of the gas from three regions on the planet. On Earth, methane is a byproduct of living bacteria, but whether that's what's producing the gas on Mars is anyone's guess. The first news of martian methane claims came in 2004 (Science, 26 March 2004, p. 1953). But the early data--from spacecraft and ground-based telescopes--were controversial. Spacecraft were not detecting all of the spectroscopic signatures of the gas, for example, and ground-based observers had to contend with interference from methane and other trace gases in Earth's atmosphere. At today's press conference, astronomer Michael Mumma of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland, declared success. "We've eliminated most of the gremlins that were bothering us," he said. The biggest problem was working out how to reliably remove terrestrial contamination from the team's spectra. "We've done a lot of work that makes the current results robust," Mumma says. Planetary scientist Sushil Atreya of the University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, agrees. Measuring martian methane "is really at the ragged edge of things," he says, but "I think the detection is pretty solid." Beyond detection, the observations reveal that the methane averages 33 parts per billion in the summer but essentially disappears afterward. About 0.6 kilograms of methane emerge each second in the summer, Mumma said, which is comparable to the emissions from a natural oil seep near Santa Barbara, California. Perhaps, he said, the martian methane is continually produced beneath the surface but only released when summer warming breaks an icy seal on the surface. The source? No one can say. Methane-generating bacteria might be living off hydrogen produced by rock, as studies kilometers down in South African gold mines have shown. Or, purely inorganic reactions between water and rock rich in the mineral olivine could do it, as found in hot springs near the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. Either way, the methane could have been produced ages ago, noted Mumma's colleague Geronimo Villanueva of Goddard, and been trapped in deep ice until warming released it. The next chance for nailing down the methane's origins may come in 2011 when the Mars Science Laboratory rover launches with the ability to measure the isotopic composition of the gas. http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cg...009/115/1?rss=1 |
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| Mars Methane Found, Raising Possibility of Life Irene Klotz, Discovery News Jan. 15, 2008 -- Scientists have discovered rich plumes of methane on Mars that not only disappear quickly, but are replenished by unknown sources that could be biological or geochemical in origin. "Either way, it's very interesting," planetary scientist Michael Mumma, with NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., told Discovery News. "Mars is not a dead planet." Mumma and colleagues used infrared spectrometers on three ground-based telescopes to monitor concentrations of methane in Mars' atmosphere over time and made a rather startling discovery: Not only does the planet have methane-rich plumes over several discrete sites, it also has an as-yet undetermined method for replenishing the methane that puts Earthly processes to shame. On Earth, most of the methane in the atmosphere comes from cows' digestive processes and bacteria in wetlands and landfills. It also is produced by geo-thermal processes, such as volcanic eruptions and decaying coal. The gas is broken down over time by ultraviolet light from the sun. On Mars, "it's clear that there is a mechanism at work that is more efficient than photochemistry -- on the order of 100 times more efficient," Mumma said. Whatever the source, methane on Mars should stick around for about 300 years, all things being equal. Instead, Mumma and his team, who published their findings in this week's issue of Science, found that over parts of Mars the methane is disappearing in a span of time as short as one year. "We really can't tell if it's biological or geochemical at this time," Mumma added. "On Earth, it can be produced by either mechanism." The definitive way to determine the methane's origins is to analyze its isotopes. Methane produced from biological sources on Earth has distinctively different isotopic ratios than methane generated by geochemical processes. "There's nothing in place on Mars today that can take a whack at this puzzle," said Cornell University's Steve Squyres, the lead scientist behind the Mars rover twins, Spirit and Opportunity, which have been scouring the planet for more than five years in search of evidence for past water. Isotopic analysis would require landing a well-equipped robotic science laboratory in a methane-rich area for local analysis, or retrieving samples for return to Earth. While scientists have hopes both missions will fly, neither will happen in the immediate future. NASA last month delayed this year's launch of the Mars Science Laboratory to 2011 due to technical issues. Managers also eliminated a leading potential landing site, the methane-rich Nili Fossae, from contention because of concerns the terrain would be too risky for landing. But scientists don't plan to sit around and wait for new tools. A new effort is underway to search for other gases that, like methane, are tied to biological processes on Earth. Targeted compounds include ethane, propane and hydrocarbons. Another line of inquiry will be expanded to try and figure out the chemistry and physics behind the rapid breakdown of Mars' methane. Based on data from as far back as the 1970s-era Viking probes, scientists suspect Mars has strong oxidants, such as hydrogen peroxide, to do the job, but they haven't pieced together exactly how the process would work. Mumma says the first order of business should be to thoroughly map Mars' methane to determine where it is being released and how that process changes over time. The biggest plume of methane discovered during the three-year study released about a pound of methane per second, roughly the same rate as the Coal Oil Plant Natural Reserve near Santa Barbara, Calif. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/...thane-life.html |
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| Mars May Still Be A Living Planet, Methane In Atmosphere Reveals ScienceDaily (Jan. 16, 2009) � A team of NASA and university scientists has achieved the first definitive detection of methane in the atmosphere of Mars. This discovery indicates the planet is either biologically or geologically active. The team found methane in the Martian atmosphere by carefully observing the planet throughout several Mars years with NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility and the W.M. Keck telescope, both at Mauna Kea, Hawaii. The team used spectrometers on the telescopes to spread the light into its component colors, as a prism separates white light into a rainbow. The team detected three spectral features called absorption lines that together are a definitive signature of methane. "Methane is quickly destroyed in the Martian atmosphere in a variety of ways, so our discovery of substantial plumes of methane in the northern hemisphere of Mars in 2003 indicates some ongoing process is releasing the gas," said Michael Mumma of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "At northern mid-summer, methane is released at a rate comparable to that of the massive hydrocarbon seep at Coal Oil Point in Santa Barbara, Calif." Mumma is lead author of a paper describing this research that will appear in Science Express on Thursday. Methane, four atoms of hydrogen bound to a carbon atom, is the main component of natural gas on Earth. Astrobiologists are interested in these data because organisms release much of Earth's methane as they digest nutrients. However, other purely geological processes, like oxidation of iron, also release methane. "Right now, we do not have enough information to tell whether biology or geology -- or both -- is producing the methane on Mars," Mumma said. "But it does tell us the planet is still alive, at least in a geologic sense. It is as if Mars is challenging us, saying, 'hey, find out what this means.' " If microscopic Martian life is producing the methane, it likely resides far below the surface where it is warm enough for liquid water to exist. Liquid water is necessary for all known forms of life, as are energy sources and a supply of carbon. "On Earth, microorganisms thrive about 1.2 to 1.9 miles beneath the Witwatersrand basin of South Africa, where natural radioactivity splits water molecules into molecular hydrogen and oxygen," Mumma said. "The organisms use the hydrogen for energy. It might be possible for similar organisms to survive for billions of years below the permafrost layer on Mars, where water is liquid, radiation supplies energy, and carbon dioxide provides carbon. Gases, like methane, accumulated in such underground zones might be released into the atmosphere if pores or fissures open during the warm seasons, connecting the deep zones to the atmosphere at crater walls or canyons." It is possible a geologic process produced the Martian methane, either now or eons ago. On Earth, the conversion of iron oxide into the serpentine group of minerals creates methane, and on Mars this process could proceed using water, carbon dioxide and the planet's internal heat. Although there is no evidence of active volcanism on Mars today, ancient methane trapped in ice cages called clathrates might be released now. "We observed and mapped multiple plumes of methane on Mars, one of which released about 19,000 metric tons of methane," said co-author Geronimo Villanueva of the Catholic University of America in Washington. "The plumes were emitted during the warmer seasons, spring and summer, perhaps because ice blocking cracks and fissures vaporized, allowing methane to seep into the Martian air." According to the team, the plumes were seen over areas that show evidence of ancient ground ice or flowing water. Plumes appeared over the Martian northern hemisphere regions such as east of Arabia Terra, the Nili Fossae region, and the south-east quadrant of Syrtis Major, an ancient volcano about 745 miles across. One method to test whether life produced this methane is by measuring isotope ratios. Isotopes of an element have slightly different chemical properties, and life prefers to use the lighter isotopes. A chemical called deuterium is a heavier version of hydrogen. Methane and water released on Mars should show distinctive ratios for isotopes of hydrogen and carbon if life was responsible for methane production. It will take future missions, like NASA's Mars Science Laboratory, to discover the origin of the Martian methane. The research was funded by the Planetary Astronomy Program at NASA Headquarters in Washington and the Astrobiology Institute at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. The University of Hawaii manages NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility. http://www.sciencedaily.com/release...90115164621.htm |
Have you read the news that the universe is just a 3-D Hollograph? hahaha check this out.
http://www.newscientist.com/article...t-hologram.html
This is hilarious to me because this retarded wack job conspiracy theorist David Icke said this a long time ago. (FYI He is also the asshole behind Reptillian humans hybrids lol)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Icke
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