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Posted by italarmo on Jan-28-2009 20:41:

Layoffs @ Work

So in the past week, the company i work for has layed off 8 staff members out of 70... 4 of which were from my department.
The layoffs had nothing to do with seniority or salary.
This scares me. Our CEO and Director sent out an email last week suggesting that this economic downfall is only temporary and they don't anticipate any more layoffs.
I found out today that another person in my deparmtent got laid off... FUCK!
Anyone else going through the same thing at work?


Posted by English Rachel on Jan-28-2009 20:42:

It's everywhere hun....


Posted by VDub on Jan-28-2009 20:43:

If they're not basing it on seniority or salary, you'd better work your ass off...


Posted by Inrush on Jan-28-2009 20:46:

i didnt know if I would have a job after school ends this week but i called up my boss and it looks like I am ok. A bunch of people have been though and this does scare me a bit but everyone needs electricity. So im banking on my service skills and contacts to push me through this shitty time.


Posted by italarmo on Jan-28-2009 20:47:

quote:
Originally posted by VDub
If they're not basing it on seniority or salary, you'd better work your ass off...


No kidding!
A couple of the ppl that got let go had been working 7 or 8 years for the company, which i'm sure were making more than others.
But then a bunch of people that just got hired a couple years ago were let go as well, so it's really hard to say.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Jan-28-2009 20:48:

quote:
Originally posted by English Rachel
It's everywhere hun....


I wouldn't say its everywhere. Our office is looking to hire more people. We've had our best January in the 8 years I've been in this office and anticipate almost 100% increase in profit from 2008.

Its typical during harder times that Insurance Claim volume increases.


Posted by Cuzo on Jan-28-2009 20:50:

Go Team Chopped!


Posted by Yohan on Jan-28-2009 20:51:

yay for being a govt employee

i wont be starving for next few months at least. yay


Posted by exstasie on Jan-28-2009 20:52:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I wouldn't say its everywhere. Our office is looking to hire more people. We've had our best January in the 8 years I've been in this office and anticipate almost 100% increase in profit from 2008.

Its typical during harder times that Insurance Claim volume increases.


...our office is the same. We are hiring (senior positions, sorry people) as well. We increased our staff by like 10% since October.

We also recorded our best year last year and received our best bonus to date bonus because our year was excellent. We all also received our standard market correction raises this year as well...


The market is just correcting itself out right now. Companies are forced to lay off people to re-balance their books. Just give it some time and companies will start to hire again. This is why everyone will tell you its important to have your safety net/savings.


Posted by Inrush on Jan-28-2009 20:57:

yeah i heard volkswagen is up in sales huge! but that could be different now. My bro was going to buy one and it would have took 5 months for them to get it for him.


Posted by Skipper on Jan-28-2009 20:58:

What industry?


Posted by Intangible on Jan-28-2009 21:04:

I went through this last spring/summer. Its rough, sad, terrifying... but in my situation is was due to restructuring vs layoffs... Everyday you go into work wondering your your desk will be packed up for you.
Once a week we would have a meeting where they would announce that couple more people have 'left the company'.

I never truly understood why people went. It seemed the people who cared the most and had the most heart were the ones to go.... some people had been in the company for years (one over 25 years). Constantly there were tears from myself and coworkers as we were sad to see people we cared for leave and we were scared for our own future. They probably let go about 12 or 15 people in my team of 80.... some were replaced, some were not.

Luckily no one in my subteam left, however we were restructured and given much more work.

Since then I have resented my company and hated my job. The environment is so depressing...

No one has left in awhile but as I watch the company's and industry's sales fall I fear more 'terminations' or layoffs will come our way.

Good luck.


Posted by jchung52 on Jan-28-2009 21:06:

lol just hired 6 new staff today...


Posted by FunkyCrew on Jan-28-2009 21:10:

we're good for now, got my raise and a bonus yesterday


Posted by Orko on Jan-28-2009 21:11:

I just got hired, I feel VERY lucky to be employed in this environment.

I was settling in for the long haul, and started to create a bunch of projects for myself so i wasn't just sitting around wasting time.


Posted by Skipper on Jan-28-2009 21:21:

If there is any advice to follow in this market, it's that now is not the time to be demanding, inflexible or underperforming. Many companies use a downturn to really prune their people and keep the best of the best.

I work in financial services and it is fucking scary, but our firm is small and doing much better than some of the others. Still nerve wracking to watch your competitors go through it though.


Posted by Orko on Jan-28-2009 21:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
If there is any advice to follow in this market, it's that now is not the time to be demanding, inflexible or underperforming. Many companies use a downturn to really prune their people and keep the best of the best.

I work in financial services and it is fucking scary, but our firm is small and doing much better than some of the others. Still nerve wracking to watch your competitors go through it though.


My buddy works at a small insurance company, and has been loving all the increased business over the last 6 months! Best 6 months in his company's history, I believe.

I think small, tightly run businesses have an easier time in this climate. Large business, get bloated with too many fringe employees, who don't add enough value to justify their cost.


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jan-28-2009 21:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Inrush
yeah i heard volkswagen is up in sales huge! but that could be different now. My bro was going to buy one and it would have took 5 months for them to get it for him.


They haven't been up in a long time... They were down 14.4% last month alone. Only Mini is up, by 0.1%, hahah.


Posted by Inrush on Jan-28-2009 21:29:

quote:
Originally posted by VERTiG0
They haven't been up in a long time... They were down 14.4% last month alone. Only Mini is up, by 0.1%, hahah.


yeah i dont remember when I heard it but i thought it was not that long ago.


Posted by VERTiG0 on Jan-28-2009 21:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Inrush
yeah i dont remember when I heard it but i thought it was not that long ago.


Last time they were up was in August 2008, at +2.9%.


Posted by devnull on Jan-28-2009 21:40:

my work has been doing process re-engineering for the last 6 months in large departments, causing 10-30 to go as efficiencies are made.

Our yearly increase was supposed to occur in february, was delayed to april and retroactive to january.....now pushed to July and not retroactive

I know something big is happening...but I remain hopeful as Im an energetic employee and keep bringing improvements. I was sent on training last week...so I hope its a sign that i'll be kept!

I sure hope that if there's a cleanup, it will prune the bad apples and paper pushers!


Posted by English Rachel on Jan-28-2009 21:46:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
I wouldn't say its everywhere. Our office is looking to hire more people. We've had our best January in the 8 years I've been in this office and anticipate almost 100% increase in profit from 2008.

Its typical during harder times that Insurance Claim volume increases.


Ok, ok. If you work for the Beer Store, LCBO, OLG, Insurance, Healthcare, you're ok.


Posted by Skipper on Jan-28-2009 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Orko
My buddy works at a small insurance company, and has been loving all the increased business over the last 6 months! Best 6 months in his company's history, I believe.

I think small, tightly run businesses have an easier time in this climate. Large business, get bloated with too many fringe employees, who don't add enough value to justify their cost.


Insurance is an odd bird. While you won't get people buying more home/car insurance (as people are buying fewer homes/cars), I was doing some research on the health care industry this week and was surprised to learn that health insurance claims/benefits increase in a recession. Turns out people are afraid of getting let go and therefore rush to get all of their dental work, eye exams, etc done just in case they lose their job.

Health care has traditionally been recession resistant, as has the death industry...good time to start your career as a funeral director.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Jan-28-2009 22:10:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
Insurance is an odd bird. While you won't get people buying more home/car insurance (as people are buying fewer homes/cars), I was doing some research on the health care industry this week and was surprised to learn that health insurance claims/benefits increase in a recession. Turns out people are afraid of getting let go and therefore rush to get all of their dental work, eye exams, etc done just in case they lose their job.

Health care has traditionally been recession resistant, as has the death industry...good time to start your career as a funeral director.


Home and Auto Insurance is a tricky one. I know a lot of companies that are letting people go because they have lost a lot of money in their investments....and thats where insurance companies make their money.

During a recession the claims departments or the independent insurance adjusters are the ones that benefit and become busy. People are more likely to put in claims when they are tight on money. That small claim seems a lot larger when you don't have money.

I've noticed much larger increases in auto injury claims, casualty claimz (i.e. slip and fall claims) and fraudulent claims. People who normally wouldn't make claims for injuries feel they can make a few dollars from their injury so they take advantage of it.


Posted by dEsidEL on Jan-28-2009 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
What industry?



the question is... are they unionized?


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