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N.B. school silences the singing of O Canada

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/new-brunswick/story/2009/01/28/nb-o-canada.html

I can only imagine how long this will last, no doubt the school and its administration is going to have quite the shit storm with this move. Thoughts?

another reason why Canadians slowly lose their identity as Canadians and why a lot of people have no real sense of nationalism or patriotism. Excessive nationalism and patriotism is bad, little of it is no good either

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Erik Millett, the school's principal, said he made the decision partly to accommodate parents who didn't want their children taking part in the daily anthem. He would not say why the parents didn't want their kids taking part, citing privacy reasons.

I only recall Jehova's Witnesses leaving the classroom to wait in the hallway when I was a kid. Of course they are not the only one so I'm not singling them out, but recalling a memory. Could there be such a large community there?

Or is it non-Canadians who don't feel obliged to sing it?


I predict the next thing that will change is the removal of "God" to "OH keep our land, glorious and free".

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I only recall Jehova's Witnesses leaving the classroom to wait in the hallway when I was a kid. Of course they are not the only one so I'm not singling them out, but recalling a memory. Could there be such a large community there? Or is it non-Canadians who don't feel obliged to sing it? I predict the next thing that will change is the removal of "God" to "OH keep our land, glorious and free".

Jehova's were my first thought.

Honestly I think this is disgusting. If there are kids who do not want to participate then they can sit in the hall... but this is our anthem. It is part of our identity as Canadian citizens.

I think the anthem is also a great way to establish routine and order amongst children in the more, while encouraging patriotism.

Singing O Canada is one thing I miss... since I dont attend sporting events, I cant even remember the last time I sang it.

I wouldnt be surprised if they do remove the word 'god'... and Im actually surprised with myself because I think that would be okay. Patriotism does not relate to religion and as our country becomes more and more multicultural it only makes sense.

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Originally posted by Intangible I wouldnt be surprised if they do remove the word 'god'... and Im actually surprised with myself because I think that would be okay. Patriotism does not relate to religion and as our country becomes more and more multicultural it only makes sense.

the french version would be even more controversial. IIRC there is a part that says something about holding a sword and a cross

national anthem... it is a tradition. i dont like changing the words from the original version for the sake of political correctness.

better things to worry about than whether the word 'god' belongs in a national anthem that has been part of Canadian identity for many a years

FFS. last I heard, some gay group is upset at CBC because Mike Milbury used the word 'pansyfication'

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Originally posted by Intangible Jehova's were my first thought. Honestly I think this is disgusting. If there are kids who do not want to participate then they can sit in the hall... but this is our anthem. It is part of our identity as Canadian citizens. I think the anthem is also a great way to establish routine and order amongst children in the more, while encouraging patriotism. Singing O Canada is one thing I miss... since I dont attend sporting events, I cant even remember the last time I sang it. I wouldnt be surprised if they do remove the word 'god'... and Im actually surprised with myself because I think that would be okay. Patriotism does not relate to religion and as our country becomes more and more multicultural it only makes sense.

+1

These people dont mind living here after leaving their home countries,working here,they dont even mind being citizens actually follow all the rules like dont leave the country until you become a citizen and have problems with participating in the national anthem...fuck sakes..Can someone beat them up for me plz?

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Originally posted by UmmiE +1 These people dont mind living here after leaving their home countries,working here,they dont even mind being citizens actually follow all the rules like dont leave the country until you become a citizen and have problems with participating in the national anthem...fuck sakes..Can someone beat them up for me plz?

Most immigrants that I know are very proud of the national anthem. An old friend of mine told me the proudest moment of his life was when he sang O Canada the first time as a Canadian citizen. It think for a lot of immigrants it means for them then it does to people who were born here. However I also know many immigrants or even first generation Canadians who seem to be more proud of the country they came from then the country they live in... I do not understand that... for most immigrants it is a struggle for them to come here, some have some wealth and come here only to have nothing, and others leave with nothing and arrive with even less. For many its an uphill struggle. Why would they go through all that if they were not proud to be Canadian?

I think the main problem is not whether people are immigrants or not but more with religion. I believe the Jehova's will not stand for the anthem as they can not worship anything else. And other religious groups do not like the fact that 'god' is in the lyrics.

^seems your experience with immigrant canadians than me

at least to my experience, if given a choice of pickiing between Canada or their homeland, 2/3 of immigrants I've spoken to would pick their homeland first

to a lot of immigrants, being Canadian is about milking Canada for what its worth

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Originally posted by Yohan to a lot of immigrants, being Canadian is about milking Canada for what its worth

sad but true... too many coming here to become citizens, only to leave the country back to their homeland, only to use their citizenship for the free healthcare, and a quick place to go to after their country messes up.

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Originally posted by Yohan to a lot of immigrants, being Canadian is about milking Canada for what its worth

I've noticed this too. The majority of the insurance claims I handle are for auto injury claims which can be very profitable. At least 80% of the claimants I deal with are not originally from Canada and the majority of them have been in Canada for less then 2 years.

IMO, there is a substantial number of immigrants who come to Canada for the easy money and not because they really want to leave their homeland.

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Originally posted by Intangible However I also know many immigrants or even first generation Canadians who seem to be more proud of the country they came from then the country they live in... I do not understand that... for most immigrants it is a struggle for them to come here, some have some wealth and come here only to have nothing, and others leave with nothing and arrive with even less. For many its an uphill struggle. Why would they go through all that if they were not proud to be Canadian?

it's not an issue of NOT being proud to be Canadian, it's more like an issue of being proud of your roots and where you born and raised (in my case) and not forgetting that. Sometimes it's hard to jangle being proud of 2 countries
I don't think that just because immigrants are proud of their motherland, means that they are not greatful that Canada offered them a new home.

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Originally posted by Yohan to a lot of immigrants, being Canadian is about milking Canada for what its worth

IMO - a bit of an arrogant statemmnt
if that was really the case, the borders would have been closed a long time ago, instead, immigration numbers are ever growing
maybe because we are doing some good to this country, hm?
and Yohan, were your parents born here? if yes, how about your grandparents? do you really think that if everyone had some an attitude towards immigrants, you would be living here right now?

up to this point, I have put a lot of money into Canadian economy through the money my family and I paid for my education. I am also paying taxes like everyone else in this country. I'm also paying taxes for free health care I have no access to since June. I wonder how is that considered milking Canada

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew IMO - a bit of an arrogant statemmnt if that was really the case, the borders would have been closed a long time ago, instead, immigration numbers are ever growing maybe because we are doing some good to this country, hm? and Yohan, were your parents born here? if yes, how about your grandparents? do you really think that if everyone had some an attitude towards immigrants, you would be living here right now? up to this point, I have put a lot of money into Canadian economy through the money my family and I paid for my education. I am also paying taxes like everyone else in this country. I'm also paying taxes for free health care I have no access to since June. I wonder how is that considered milking Canada

i am not arguing that immigrants bring nothing to canada. hell, canada was built on immigration

of course there are plenty of hardworking immigrants. hence why i said 'a lot of immigrants'. that is still not saying there is no give and receive relationship between immigrants and canada

as for my parents, both of them have lived in canada for over 17 yrs (my mom actually went to school at Mount Allison) and they are two of the hardest working people I know.
but their attitude (well, more my dad than my mom) is that they are not impressed with Canadian culture at all and the reason why they came to Canada was for the benefit of their family. could give a rat's ass what goes on in Canada as long as it does not involve them. my parents work hard not to benefit canada, but to benefit my family

point is that because canada is too accepting, and there is no imposition of something akind to Canadian identity on new immigrants, because we say it's ok to be more proud of your homeland than Canada, new immigrants feel no reason to have a pride in Canada.

most immigrants come from a culture that is more steeped in tradition and history and heritage than our young nation, and sees Canada as inferior culture and no reason to adapt to canadian ways. this may be a bit of ignorance, but i can see why they would think so

those that know me do know that i'm about as patriotic canadian as they are out there. but i'm not a typical immigrant, i'd guess

When people ask me what do I like more Canada or Pakistan?....My answer always is the same:-

Canada and Pakistan are like my both eyes......I cant choose which one is better than then other.I was born in one,but living an awesome life in the other.

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Originally posted by Yohan i am not arguing that immigrants bring nothing to canada. hell, canada was built on immigration of course there are plenty of hardworking immigrants. hence why i said 'a lot of immigrants'. that is still not saying there is no give and receive relationship between immigrants and canada as for my parents, both of them have lived in canada for over 17 yrs (my mom actually went to school at Mount Allison) and they are two of the hardest working people I know. but their attitude (well, more my dad than my mom) is that they are not impressed with Canadian culture at all and the reason why they came to Canada was for the benefit of their family. could give a rat's ass what goes on in Canada as long as it does not involve them. my parents work hard not to benefit canada, but to benefit my family point is that because canada is too accepting, and there is no imposition of something akind to Canadian identity on new immigrants, because we say it's ok to be more proud of your homeland than Canada, new immigrants feel no reason to have a pride in Canada. most immigrants come from a culture that is more steeped in tradition and history and heritage than our young nation, and sees Canada as inferior culture and no reason to adapt to canadian ways. this may be a bit of ignorance, but i can see why they would think so those that know me do know that i'm about as patriotic canadian as they are out there. but i'm not a typical immigrant, i'd guess

ah
fair enough!
since my parents never came with me, I can only judge from my own prespective.. and for me moving to Canada was just to simply build my own future here. Canada has given me great friedships and for that I'm forever greatful!

do people sing the oh canada in classes??? I had no idea it was a common practice.

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Originally posted by Yohan another reason why Canadians slowly lose their identity as Canadians and why a lot of people have no real sense of nationalism or patriotism. Excessive nationalism and patriotism is bad, little of it is no good either

Canadians aren't slowly losing their identity imo. It's already gone. It's all the immigrants I tell ya!

Edit: oh, and Molson Canadian commercials.

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Originally posted by FunkyCrew IMO - a bit of an arrogant statemmnt if that was really the case, the borders would have been closed a long time ago, instead, immigration numbers are ever growing maybe because we are doing some good to this country, hm? and Yohan, were your parents born here? if yes, how about your grandparents? do you really think that if everyone had some an attitude towards immigrants, you would be living here right now?

without immigrants canada would be a dying country

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Originally posted by malek do people sing the oh canada in classes??? I had no idea it was a common practice.

i'm going to guess it's different in quebec

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Originally posted by jchung52 without immigrants the west would be dying

fixed.

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Originally posted by Yohan i'm going to guess it's different in quebec

I went to French Catholic elemantary school there (Brossard), and we also sang Oh Canada every day. It's probably different nowadays.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I went to French Catholic elemantary school there (Brossard), and we also sang Oh Canada every day. It's probably different nowadays.

you're so old that what you are saying is totaly true. Oh Canada was the anthem for the French Canadians, while God Save the Queen was sung by English Canadians... Oh Canada was actually written for the St-Jean Baptist holiday, by the now very separatist St-Jean Baptist society.

people forget that.

Now Oh Canada is the Canadian anthem and that is why no one cares about it here anymore.

This is beyond disgusting. We need to bring back public floggings.

Who the fuck cares? It's a boring song, nothing more. We don't need a national anthem to instill national pride, we need something worth being proud of!

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Originally posted by Spam Who the fuck cares? It's a boring song, nothing more. We don't need a national anthem to instill national pride, we need something worth being proud of!

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